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2005-02-08 23:11

Death Demon
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Careful with your email addresses

I've been poking around the nostalgia sites recently popping my email address up hoping to get in touch with old friends from the scene. Instead, old jealousy has found a way of poking it's ugly head out. I can't believe that jealousy like this still exists after, what, 20 years now?

Quote:

From: lkjlkjljk pablo [lkjlkjljkpablo_797@hotmail.com]
raster boy lives again.... total lack of imagination raster boiiiiiiiiii

Only one person who ever refered to me as that. In fact, he has a web page up right now that refers to me as that. Man, can't believe some people can't let go. Hmm, actually it looks like he's updated it in the last few days. Luckily, Google still has it around. If you're interested, do a google search for +"wanderer" +"the survivors" +"raster boy"

Wanderer Commodore 64 c64 NTSC intro demo fbr pe the survivors ...
... I ripped anything after my beginning months in The Survivors. ... a member of FBR who
I call raster boy (DxxxxDxxxx ... did you change your name from Satan to Wanderer? ...
www.ontarioghosttowns.com/c64/c64.html - 84k - Cached - Similar pages

In any event, as I stated, please be careful. It appears that some people out there are still bent out of shape over scene related issues.

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2005-02-11 00:03

Death Demon
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And the unfounded accusations continue. Good to see certain things don't change.

2005-02-11 04:31

Wanderer
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I'm not going to enter into a debate.

It wasn't a prank call, but you did phone me at my parents to complain that I was saying things about you. I explained the situation, you backed down.

I have a very clear memory of those years. I can't prove it, so it is unfounded, but we both know the truth.

My point is, you went real life. Much the same way you took your personal problem to a message forum here where it doesn't belong.

Guess who's going back on ignore now... :)

2005-02-11 08:00

Death Demon
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Don't remember the phone call or hearing about you talking badly about me. Although, given your more modern day behavior, I suppose it's not out of the question. And calling you to discuss the issue is within the realm of how I would handle a personal problem like that.

As for the problem with the email, this is precisely where it should go. You've gotten stranger and stranger as the years have gone on. I honestly don't know where this grudge of yours started. But now, 20 years later, you spoofed an email to me, then accused me of signing you up to a mail list, then changed that story to me mailbombing you from my IP, and now you've made a bunch of negative comments about my coding. Dude, why? I didn't even know who you were in the scene until I heard about you ripping code. I don't even think you made it into the upper echelon until after I had left the scene. So what beef could you POSSIBLY have with me that would make you do so many weird things?

Was this the issue? Something I pointed out on my GREAT FBR website when it was up? A comment on a graphic that didn't look so hot? If so, I'm sorry I was so blunt. You appear to have the same opinion of it though:

Quote:

(I joined them for a short while). Fine Young Cannibals music, a bouncing bottom scroller and one of the worst looking logos you ever did see. Death Demon of FBR pointed this out on his sad FBR page, but if he doesn't mention my logos I won't mention his lack of programming style and love of rasters.

Again, I think it's very strange that whatever this issue you have with me has carried on for ~20 years now. I never knew you in the scene as you weren't part of it at the time I was active. And afterwards, only a few key people knew how to get ahold of me. You weren't one of them. So we really never could have even crossed paths. I know I held/hold a certain status and level of respect as one of the early coders with Changeling and I being the only ones capable of that level of coding at the time. Is that why I'm a target of your wrath?

It's obvious by the quickness with which you found/responded to this post, as well as the level of vitriolic speech, that you were upset I exposed your activities here. My advice to you is that if you don't wish to be exposed for weird behavior, don't engage in it in the first place.

2005-02-11 12:57

Wanderer
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>Don't remember the phone call or hearing about you talking >badly about me.

If you don't remember, I'd keep that in mind before using the words 'unfounded' next time :)

>And calling you to discuss the issue is within the realm
>of how I would handle a personal problem like that.

You were quite rude in how you handled it, though I don't remember the conversation verbatim.

>You've gotten stranger and stranger as the years have gone
>on.

A matter of opinion.

>But now, 20 years later, you spoofed an email to me, then
>accused me of signing you up to a mail list, then changed
>that story to me mailbombing you from my IP, and now

There has not bee a change in the story. Your claim of an email is unfounded. And by mailbombing I'm referring to the failed attempt of signing up to various mailing lists. A visitor from speakeasy was logged visiting the c64 section of the webpage. Then 30 seconds later confirmation emails made their way to me from speakeasy, for various mailing list attempts. I know of only one c64 user from Speakeasy (past tense) who would have a grudge.

>you've made a bunch of negative comments about my coding.
>Dude, why?

I call them opinions. As for why, you come on here making unfounded accusations about me, what do you want, a bouqet of flowers and a steak dinner?

>I didn't even know who you were in the scene until I heard
>about you ripping code. I don't even think you made it
>into the upper echelon until after I had left the scene.

Another matter of opinion. 1987-88 was the time I was active on the scene, which was about the time FBR was fading into obscurity.

>So what beef could you POSSIBLY have with me that would
>make you do so many weird things?

I don't have a beef with you. You're dillusional. I'm entitled to my opinion that you were a programmer who focused on rasters. Get over it.

>Was this the issue? Something I pointed out on my GREAT
>FBR website when it was up? A comment on a graphic that
>didn't look so hot?

The issue is quite simple, and you're not listening. You came out of nowhere accusing me of mailing you, when in fact I did not. And here you are grasping at straws trying to twist the situation around.

>the early coders with Changeling and I being the only ones >capable of that level of coding at the time. Is that why
>I'm a target of your wrath?

My wrath, I like your writing skills.

>It's obvious by the quickness with which you
>found/responded to this post, as well as the level of
>vitriolic speech, that you were upset I exposed your
>activities here.

So now you're not only grasping at straws, you're psychoanalyzing me. I'm upset about the fact you made up some email from some bogus email address, using an ISP I don't use, making unfounded claims, and using the pretense that it's some 20 year old grudge.

>My advice to you is that if you don't wish to be exposed
>for weird behavior, don't engage in it in the first place.

My advice for you... if you don't like someone, don't sign them up to mailing lists, don't make accusations, don't fake emails and most of all if you can't even remember if you've done something or not, don't claim that you haven't.

Before you can claim there is some grudge, you have to establish I've done something. And we're still at square one, which is you faking an email. Once you prove I've sent you an email, only then can you try to twist things around into being some sort of grudge.

Honestly, it's been almost a week now, let it go... I'm sure the people on CSDB don't care what your personal issues are with me.

Cheers

2005-02-11 13:06

enthusi

Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677

maybe its time you two call each other?

2005-02-11 15:52

Wanderer
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I don't see the purpose in a phone call.

Whatever happened 17 years ago is dead and buried IMO.

I'm not subscribing people to lists, faking emails or venting on a public forum about an email I allegedly received. And I certainly am not implying the speed in which a person responds has anything to do with being "exposed".

Maybe he feels it has something to do with the fact I said all he could code was rasters. In any event, this has no place on CSDB. No place at all.

It would take more than a phone call, it would take a psychiatrist to fix this one.

http://www.ontarioghosttowns.com/c64

2005-02-11 17:33

Twoflower

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434

I have a hard time understanding what this discussion is doing here and not in private mails to eachother. It's not like anybody is going to side with either one of you. But I must state that the posts are both embarrasing and amusing, so for Gods sake, keep on.

2005-02-11 20:16

Death Demon
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Twoflower : The discussion belongs here because of the original post. I'm a bit perplexed at the rest of the discussion, to be quite honest. But I don't really care either. I believe the point has been made. Wanderer's continued abusive remarks pretty much seal the deal. As does this quote:

Quote:

Once you prove I've sent you an email, only then can you try to twist things around into being some sort of grudge.

Either there's nothing to prove or Wanderer sent the email. Instead, he's trying to turn this into some strange game and I don't really care. Email came from Sudbury, uses nicknames only he used, his argumentation on the subject really hasn't been that he didn't write it but rather that I'm faking it, and I've been accused of everything from mailbombing to mailing list signups (with the story changing in between). I'm done.

In any event, next time you guys think about posting your email address out there to get in touch with old friends, realize that you're opening yourself up to strange people like this suddenly deciding to reach out and touch you.

Sorry this turned into some big strange soap opera. It was really just meant as a warning. But perhaps the soap opera serves as a better warning?

Last comment to Wanderer:
I don't know you. Never did. I have no idea why you think I did and think that there's some *thing* between us. If there is, it's one way. Simply do not email me any longer from ANY account ANYWHERE. I do not wish to have ANY relationship with you, online or otherwise.

If you really didn't do it, and it's just a strange coincidence that it came from your home town using your nickname for me and all of your conflicting posting above is just random rantings brought out of a defensive posture, then so be it.

2005-02-11 21:18

Wanderer
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>The discussion belongs here because of the original post.

IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE AT ALL. This is the point I think the other posters have already made.

>Wanderer's continued abusive remarks pretty much seal the
>deal.

Unfortunately you are being dillusional again. I've been rational and calm. Abusive? That's what we call "reaching" in my profession. There you go reaching.

>Either there's nothing to prove or Wanderer sent the
>email.

And there is nothing to prove because you made it up with Notepad or some editor. You're reaching again.

>Instead, he's trying to turn this into some strange game
>and I don't really care.

Apparently you care enough not to let the issue drop.

>Email came from Sudbury,

So you claim.

>uses nicknames only he used

I think the email address was 'pablo' or something? *rolls eyes* yes Bruce. I went by Pablo in another lifetime on the c64. If you're referring to 'raster boy', you yourself admit going to the webpage and reading the comment. I believe you were upset by what you read, made up this so called email, and came on here to badmouth me. Unfortunately you goofed up on the ISP and you had to guess what my email address would be. Could you not do better than "pablo"? Who is Pablo lol.

>his argumentation on the subject really hasn't been that
>he didn't write it but rather that I'm faking it

Why argue? You need to prove your allegation, I don't need to defend it. I've no clue what you're talking about.

>and I've been accused of everything from mailbombing to
>mailing list signups (with the story changing in between).

Again your comprehension skills are lacking. The story has remained the same from almost a year ago as printed on my page. You used Speakeasy. I had a visitor from Speakeasy visit the page, seconds later the same IP was used to attempt to sign me up for mailing lists (which in itself is a mailbomb attempt, mass subscription signups). I think if you lay off the Xanax and Paxil you will realize the mailing list *was* the mail bombing attempt.

>I'm done.

I sure hope so.

>I have no idea why you think I did and think that there's
>some *thing* between us.

There you go again with your reaching fantasy. Are you receiving psychological help? Something between us? Here comes the dramatics.

>Simply do not email me any longer from ANY account
>ANYWHERE. I do not wish to have ANY relationship with you,
>online or otherwise.

ROTFLMAO
*rolls eyes again* You sound like a woman being stalked by a bitter ex-boyfriend. How much more dramatical can you get? You do not wish to have a relationship? That is the saddest thing I've heard you say yet. Now will you let the issue go?

>If you really didn't do it, and it's just a strange
>coincidence that (I FORGED IT) it came from your home town >using your nickname (I GRABBED FROM YOUR WANDERER WEBPAGE)
>for me and all of your conflicting posting above (WHICH
>THERE IS NO CONFLICTION, I'M TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND A
>POINT WHICH HAS BEEN CLARIFIED TWICE NOW) is just random
>rantings brought out of a defensive posture, then so be it.

*yawn*

You've made your point, over and over and over.
I don't own this issue you have with me.
I have asked you repeatedly to drop the matter, you won't.
You had the choice to take it to email, you didn't.

Move on Bruce, please... you're embarassing yourself. You can have the last word...

2005-02-12 00:03

Death Demon
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Quote:

I think if you lay off the Xanax and Paxil you will realize the mailing list *was* the mail bombing attempt.

Ahh, I see. So somehow my IP matching the IP of someone who mailbombed you is the same thing as someone signing you up for a mailing list minutes after someone with an IP tracing to an ISP that I use is the same thing? I noticed that you just changed the story again and said that it was someone from the same IP who tried to sign you up to the mailing list when the original claim (on your website) was that it was that you just got signed up and thought it a coincidence that I visited your web page a few minutes before. I understand. So that's just something you completely made up then. At least I don't have to bother defending myself against that accusation any longer.

As for the mail issue, I have no idea why you keep saying the things you've said. I guess you're not terribly familiar with the internet. The mail address can easily be verified as being valid, and if it were truly necessary, the message ID could be confirmed with Microsoft's abuse department. I don't personally care to take it that far and I'm sure you don't want me to either.

Message-ID: <BAY16-F570AD01F74B1AF87977F7B4730@phx.gbl>
Received: from 69.159.0.9 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;
Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:32:07 GMT

Information readily available in the message header. Microsoft does that to prevent people from doing what you just tried to. I haven't goofed up a thing. This is what I got. And it tracks directly to your home town. I don't care what ISP you say you use or don't use. All I care about is that you leave me alone. I don't want to have ANY connection to you. You DO make me feel like you're some strange internet stalker.

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