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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1920 |
Change of rules - What kind of Events belong into the Database
<Post edited by Count Zero on 6/4-2016 19:12>
Quite a while ago the mod team started a general discusion on updating the CSDb rules regarding several aspects. To start off "slowly" we started by finding an agreement on changes towards "Meetings" (Parties!). The result can be found at https://csdb.dk/help.php?section=rules under Section V Paragraph 10.
Under 1. we added "C64" to point out that there is a strong desire towards this special 8bit machine. Point 2. was reworded slightly to be more precise.
Both points combined lead to surely debatable combinations and entries but basically it _IMHO_ boils down to:
- defining "historical" regarding C64 scene content and events
- the value of releases
For the "historical" part we have choosen to start off at 1st of January 2000 (to show how liberal we actually are) ending on the 1st of January 2016. You guess right. We found tons of entries without releases and pages requiring a definite update. Overall a quick glance was taken at about 500 of the nearly 2500 "meetings" revealing a horrible picture:
- about 15-20% of the entries simply don't deserve the entry here unless a release gets added (meeting in a pub to spend money on beer is _NOT_ making scene history!)
- MANY of the added links don't work anymore and it is beyond our understanding why http://sil.ly.ip.addy/party.html suddenly doesn't work anymore...
- entries with no linked releases AND only 2-3 sceners attending. This excessive info won't turn the meeting entry into an entry of historic relevance at all - not now and not in the far future really. Entries with no linked releases and MANY sceners attending? Where is at least some party report? YOU SCENERS maintain the database and your entries! It is not up to anyone else to report on how the meeting turned out!
So, the following 61 events were deleted. You can currently not access them. We will restore them on request: meaning "you found the missing release" to be added to that particular entry is one of few reasons to do so. Yes, this MEANS you can finally dig out the disk you saved the scrolltext on at $party, link it to the intro screen and release something!
The list below also means pure drama!
Type: Internal Meeting
Held between: 1 January 2000 and 1 January 2016
Wrath Designs Minibreak 2004
Villa Bellocchio
TRIAD Epiphany 2012
Tcp01
Cosa Nostra Meeting #1 - 2008
X'2006 Afterparty
Focus meeting #5
Focus Meeting #6
fuzikix meeting #1
Klr01
10 Print "Hello World!"
Arise Demomeeting 3.0
Arsenic + Friends Meeting / Hamburg 2014
The Barn 5
TKH
Stonehead Secret EHEC-Meeting
Swiss Pirates Reunion 2002
Swiss Pirates Reunion 2010
TGH 6
Sthd friday night v1109
Silicon Ltd. Meeting #1
Schlimeisch 2003
ROTY Awards 2009
Schlimeisch 2002
Project Amundsen 2008
Project Amundsen 2005
Out of Güll 2010
Makrel & Data 2014
Kraze Meeting 12/2007
Koling Birthday Party 2006
Danish Gold New Years Party 2001/2002
Danish Gold Internal Party Feb 2002
Cascade Meeting 2008
Camelot (K)olding Meeting 2011
Arsenic Elite Mactron Investigation Conference Analyzation
Plushmeeting Zeitlarn 2015
...to be continued (too many links)... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
of course not, the c64 scene is mostly defined by c64 scene releases (thats what divides it from other social contexts) - which is the whole point afterall :) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Interesting .. because while I of course fully appreciate the 'what' (releases), to me the most important aspect of the scene is the 'who' (the people and the the way we work together).
But given your point of view I understand the way CSDb is managed a bit better now ;) |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2579 |
Wouldn't at least the existence of an invitation and/or a party report in a mag somewhere also justify an entry? One could argue that as soon as somebody bothered to write about it, it somehow did become part of scene history. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
perhaps, see what count zero wrote above. i'd still prefer seeing some kind of scroller or so at least :) |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1920 |
I personally see no problem in entries with "just" an invitation - at least link SOMETHING to it that is 8bit binary. Would have expected some notemaker files on one or the other entry ...
For events there is also the possibility to add a party report. NONE of the 500 or so checked entries had one. Many people adding entries here obviously think even copy/pasting some blog post about the party is too awkward and too much work.
IMHO its much about maintenance. Any database is just as good as the properly verified and complete content. Link rot is a funny topic as well.
@cobra - are you the dark side of Samar or sumthing? Your group mates seem not to be such bollocks. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
I was under the impression that at least one of the Focus meetings had a party report but if not I'm more than willing to add one if still possible. |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
I second that. I even added my own experiences in the comment section. Now I know that Ben & I getting fucked up doesn't constitute scene history, but it sure added to our scene history ;) |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1920 |
Focus meeting #5 ( "Revolt of the Slaves", 5 attendants ) and Focus Meeting #6 ( "Welcome to Ben's house", 6 attendants, can't wait for meeting #80 ... ) had nothing attached to it at all.
TDJ: whenever you found your report packaged into the ready to upload FLI upscroller, just say so :) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498 |
Every scene event is about boozing at the camp fire, but not every "boozing at the camp fire" event is a scene event. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
Quote: Focus meeting #5 ( "Revolt of the Slaves", 5 attendants ) and Focus Meeting #6 ( "Welcome to Ben's house", 6 attendants, can't wait for meeting #80 ... ) had nothing attached to it at all.
TDJ: whenever you found your report packaged into the ready to upload FLI upscroller, just say so :)
hah! there are a bunch of unreleased ideas and scetches, per usual. |
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