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2005-02-08 23:11

Death Demon
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Careful with your email addresses

I've been poking around the nostalgia sites recently popping my email address up hoping to get in touch with old friends from the scene. Instead, old jealousy has found a way of poking it's ugly head out. I can't believe that jealousy like this still exists after, what, 20 years now?

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From: lkjlkjljk pablo [lkjlkjljkpablo_797@hotmail.com]
raster boy lives again.... total lack of imagination raster boiiiiiiiiii

Only one person who ever refered to me as that. In fact, he has a web page up right now that refers to me as that. Man, can't believe some people can't let go. Hmm, actually it looks like he's updated it in the last few days. Luckily, Google still has it around. If you're interested, do a google search for +"wanderer" +"the survivors" +"raster boy"

Wanderer Commodore 64 c64 NTSC intro demo fbr pe the survivors ...
... I ripped anything after my beginning months in The Survivors. ... a member of FBR who
I call raster boy (DxxxxDxxxx ... did you change your name from Satan to Wanderer? ...
www.ontarioghosttowns.com/c64/c64.html - 84k - Cached - Similar pages

In any event, as I stated, please be careful. It appears that some people out there are still bent out of shape over scene related issues.

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2005-02-13 23:07

The Shark-INC
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Wanderer certainly does have a history for doing things like this, and the message Death Demon posted matches the types of emails that Wanderer has sent me. Anyone that Mike (Wanderer) had a problem with 15 years ago, Mike sends childish emails even to this day. Man, talk about holding a grudge. hehe...

Mike, do the world a favor... Reestablish a relationship with your psychologist and get off the Canadian social welfare. Start doing something productive with your life. Whether that means going back to college (yes, we know that you dropped out) or holding at least a part time job. Clearly, Mike, you have too much time on your hands.

The Shark

2005-02-14 03:38

Wanderer
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Posts: 478

This just gets better and better.

First Bruce has to lie about receiving emails and uses a fake return address because he doesn't know my real address. But now it's just pathetic that he had to go and find an ex-crack addict to also claim they received email from me.

Yet I have to admit, I've been expecting Dave Greiman (aka Slanty Eyed Shark) to come along all week. I knew Bruce would be trying another approach, having lost his argument and being humiliated. And look who joined just TODAY and has made ONE post only? Sharky. I wonder, hrmm... did Bruce go running for support? You know he did :)

Sadly, I think Bruce could have done better than a guy who's been in an Arizona jail for assaulting his ex girlfriend with a frying pan spatula. Yes Dave, we know all about that.

Sayyyy Dave, where do you come up with college? Try University, three years. Is that what your crackpipe is telling you now? lol lol. I'm listed on the alumni page at Laurentian University. *SPANK*

Oh say Dave, didn't you once tell us on a conference call that your mother also smoked the crack rock? It would explain those horribly crooked eyes of yours.

Look for yourself, and nice shirt dude.
www.ontarioghosttowns.com/shark.jpg

By the way I must commend you on your wonderful INC webpage. All of those dead links and webpage skills of a child make INC go down in history as a joke. It's an embarassment to the scene.

Poor Bruce, if a crack addict and woman abuser is the best he can hope for... I win yet again. Oh well, another user to add to the ignore list. *plonk*

2005-02-14 05:21

Death Demon
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Wow, that was an interesting/revealing outburst. Mike, I don't know what you're trying to get at. I'm not sure why you are so bent on not accepting responsibility for the email. You honestly think that it wasn't trackable so there's a chance people will think I could be making this up. It's as if you didn't realize that the message ID was unique and can be verified through Microsoft's abuse department. It's also as if you didn't realize that the email address can also be verified as being valid by going through the mail server or any of a number of websites that verify email addresses by communicating with the email server. Using Hotmail, Yahoo, or any other commercial email service is not anonymous. Due to SPAM related legislation in the U.S., as well as costs associated, they have been implementing quite a bit of tracking safeguards.

As for what you just said about The Shark, Arizona doesn't have any information about him being in jail for hitting his girlfriend. http://az.gov/webapp/offender/searchName.do

Most states have enacted a sexual offender statute in which assaults of this nature are published publicly so that people can be aware of the risks associating with specific people. Why throw out accusations like that?

If it were THAT important to you for people to not think of you as some strange internet stalker type of person who still sends out email based on grudges you have with people you never knew but idolized, you simply should have not sent me email. There was absolutely no reason. You and I have zero contact. None. I didn't even know you back in the scene. So why bother? Did you think I wouldn't be able to trace it and figure it out? Did it give you some strange sort of high to think that you might be able to get away with insulting me anonymously through email and I'd always sit there wondering who it was? I didn't really care. The only reason I posted here was to let people know that they should be careful with posting up personal information because there's people out there that still hold grudges.

After reading your rant on The Shark, I'm a little bit more worried then I was. That's some pretty strong hatred for someone who you have no contact with. The scene's been over for us for 15 years or so. Were you REALLY that strongly impacted?

2005-02-14 05:25

OEP

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I feel the same way towards Sharky! :P

Just kidding, Dave

2005-02-14 07:36

Wanderer
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Cripes, I gave Bruce the last word and he still continues to post lmao. Although I can't read what he's posted for he's blocked (both of them actually) it does show he's one persistant little bastard. :)

I guess he thought running and finding one of the largest lamers on the C64, who's opinion to me means zilch, would add fuel to his fire.

Onc more time Bruce, LET IT GO... when you resort to bringing lamers to this site, you know you've lost the argument.

Cheers

2005-02-14 07:37

The Shark-INC
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Mike,

I must agree with Death Demon. Your behavior is disturbing, and I am thankful that miles separate us as I see you as a "scene stalker" so obsessed with watching me that I'd have to set up a restraining order against you if you were in the USA.

Your desperate accusations against me suggest that both Bruce and myself are telling the truth, and it is you who struggles to live in reality. I am going to call your bluff. If anyone here can post solid evidence that I was ever arrested, used illegal drugs, or beat an ex-girlfriend, I will donate $1000 to a charitable cause of the finder's choice. Prison/jail records are public record in the USA so this would be a start. Even a legitimate newspaper article would be sufficient. Mike already posted my real name, so that should be enough for people to start a search.

Now, if no one can find such information, then you must be the one to pay a fee. Since I know you are not doing well financially, we'll assign you a task instead. Your penalty would be for you to go back to all your crooked raster, seizure inducing intros and look at them. After about 30 minutes of this torture, we then want you to fix the intros (or preferably delete them).

The time limit for this challenge is one month from now.

Mike, this is all really silly. Your childish, fake emails... your make-believe stories... you setting up a fake "gay" profile about me here at CSDb (yes, it has been fixed already). I can't believe I scarred you so bad back in the late 80s when I exposed you for being a ripper. It was nothing personal -- I only told the truth.

I don't plan on posting much in regards to this thread as the people here are tired of this already, and just like a child, I know you love the attention from your misdeeds. I'll say it again, and I mean this in all sincerity for your own mental health: please seek professional help or read a self-help book. It's time to move on in your life.

The Shark

2005-02-14 07:47

Wanderer
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Final Score

Death Demon: 0
Sharky: 0
Wanderer: 1

Both fought bravely, both failed miserably. Quick, better call in JNP next :)

By the way, all I'm seeing on this end is "<Message ignored>". I gave you both a fair chance to try and prove this ridiculous claim I sent Bruce an email. All this over one single email. Really, Death Demon, in the larger scale of things to whine about in life, let this one go. You lost. Dave lost 15 years ago.

Stop shaming yourself :)

Thia is an amazing piece of HTML work, 404 forever
http://www.dhp.com/~shark/inc64/

2005-02-14 09:25

Crossfire
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Wanderer: Don't really wanna get mixed up in this, but I just wonder how you can judge who is winning and who is losing, when you - as you claim - have all messages ignored? Like I said, I don't wanna get tangled up in this, but this question has puzzled me for a couple of days now. ..that and because I've grown quite curious whether or not you accept The Sharks challenge :-)

2005-02-14 16:24

Death Demon
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I'm more amazed at the thought that there could be a winner. Just being included in a conversation with this person whom I never knew having to defend myself against lies which have self-consistency issues is somewhat of a loss. Having a verifiable email address called fake, having a valid message ID from hotmail being called fake, tracing the thing down to his home city being called fake. I absolutely did not know this guy in the scene. He was never really part of the "Elite" scene during my time. I know he idolized me, because he stated as such on his website. I know he also lost it with me at some point. What I don't know is why someone I don't know decides to taunt me in email attempting to be anonymous some 15-20 years after the scene has gone.

And now the guy goes crazy on Shark with statements that can be verified as true/false since they are part of the public record. MORE lies. WTF is going on?

Seriously some psycho crap. I guess I'm glad this is on csdb now. Chronicling the psychotic behaviors of one of the sceners for historical purposes.

2005-02-14 16:43

Wanderer
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Quote: Wanderer: Don't really wanna get mixed up in this, but I just wonder how you can judge who is winning and who is losing, when you - as you claim - have all messages ignored? Like I said, I don't wanna get tangled up in this, but this question has puzzled me for a couple of days now. ..that and because I've grown quite curious whether or not you accept The Sharks challenge :-)

Hey no problem :) You're entitled to ask a question.

I gave them both a fair chance to prove the dillusion I had sent them emails. They failed. I believe it was a hoax orchestrated by D.D., there never was an email from me. If he could have at least pegged my proper ISP, I could see why he feels I've wronged him. Yet 39 messages and one week later, he's still talking out of his ass. The entire thread is not suitable for CSDB, it's his personal issue not mine. So now they are blocked - but I did read the initial post from each.

Bruce needs to let go, I see he's still trying to flog a dead horse even though I'm no longer reading his drivel. All I see is <message ignored>.

As for a challenge, I don't know anything about one. If it came from Shark, the challenge is meaningless. He had a decade to develop some talent, while I was coding. He has no talent, never did, and never will. I always felt he was the #1 lamer on the scene and I won't move on that issue. I will let my 200+ demos speak for themselves. That's the only challenge I could imagine he'd come up with.

I was once voted #1 programmer in Mamba magazine (c64 mag), published in Compute! magazine (and paid) and a few businesses used my programming. I am content to fall back upon those laurels. Shark has his crumbling INC webpage with dead links and lame graphics. Death Demon has some demos to fall back upon, and he was good for his era. I'll grant him that, but he's a has been, and shouldn't make up lies about other people.

Sharky claims to have an ego but sadly it takes something to be egotistical about. He was a joke on the c64 :) Trailing behind him is his buddy JNP, the *cough* inventor *cough* of the colour to colour technique of scrolling colours through text.

I tried to take the high road and let them have the last word but they both seem to have more and more to say. At least I held my own and didn't run to some lamer for backup the way DD did. In fact, I'd hardly call Shark ammunition in an argument. What a loss of credibility, it backfired on him.

So a week of failing to prove your point and running to get help, equates to a loss in my opinion. A lamer with a dead website and nothing behind him to speak for his skills, is another loss. My 200+ demos will speak for themselves.

I rest my case... and once again, they can have the last word.

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