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2005-02-08 23:11

Death Demon
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Careful with your email addresses

I've been poking around the nostalgia sites recently popping my email address up hoping to get in touch with old friends from the scene. Instead, old jealousy has found a way of poking it's ugly head out. I can't believe that jealousy like this still exists after, what, 20 years now?

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From: lkjlkjljk pablo [lkjlkjljkpablo_797@hotmail.com]
raster boy lives again.... total lack of imagination raster boiiiiiiiiii

Only one person who ever refered to me as that. In fact, he has a web page up right now that refers to me as that. Man, can't believe some people can't let go. Hmm, actually it looks like he's updated it in the last few days. Luckily, Google still has it around. If you're interested, do a google search for +"wanderer" +"the survivors" +"raster boy"

Wanderer Commodore 64 c64 NTSC intro demo fbr pe the survivors ...
... I ripped anything after my beginning months in The Survivors. ... a member of FBR who
I call raster boy (DxxxxDxxxx ... did you change your name from Satan to Wanderer? ...
www.ontarioghosttowns.com/c64/c64.html - 84k - Cached - Similar pages

In any event, as I stated, please be careful. It appears that some people out there are still bent out of shape over scene related issues.

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2005-02-14 09:25

Crossfire
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Wanderer: Don't really wanna get mixed up in this, but I just wonder how you can judge who is winning and who is losing, when you - as you claim - have all messages ignored? Like I said, I don't wanna get tangled up in this, but this question has puzzled me for a couple of days now. ..that and because I've grown quite curious whether or not you accept The Sharks challenge :-)

2005-02-14 16:24

Death Demon
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I'm more amazed at the thought that there could be a winner. Just being included in a conversation with this person whom I never knew having to defend myself against lies which have self-consistency issues is somewhat of a loss. Having a verifiable email address called fake, having a valid message ID from hotmail being called fake, tracing the thing down to his home city being called fake. I absolutely did not know this guy in the scene. He was never really part of the "Elite" scene during my time. I know he idolized me, because he stated as such on his website. I know he also lost it with me at some point. What I don't know is why someone I don't know decides to taunt me in email attempting to be anonymous some 15-20 years after the scene has gone.

And now the guy goes crazy on Shark with statements that can be verified as true/false since they are part of the public record. MORE lies. WTF is going on?

Seriously some psycho crap. I guess I'm glad this is on csdb now. Chronicling the psychotic behaviors of one of the sceners for historical purposes.

2005-02-14 16:43

Wanderer
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Quote: Wanderer: Don't really wanna get mixed up in this, but I just wonder how you can judge who is winning and who is losing, when you - as you claim - have all messages ignored? Like I said, I don't wanna get tangled up in this, but this question has puzzled me for a couple of days now. ..that and because I've grown quite curious whether or not you accept The Sharks challenge :-)

Hey no problem :) You're entitled to ask a question.

I gave them both a fair chance to prove the dillusion I had sent them emails. They failed. I believe it was a hoax orchestrated by D.D., there never was an email from me. If he could have at least pegged my proper ISP, I could see why he feels I've wronged him. Yet 39 messages and one week later, he's still talking out of his ass. The entire thread is not suitable for CSDB, it's his personal issue not mine. So now they are blocked - but I did read the initial post from each.

Bruce needs to let go, I see he's still trying to flog a dead horse even though I'm no longer reading his drivel. All I see is <message ignored>.

As for a challenge, I don't know anything about one. If it came from Shark, the challenge is meaningless. He had a decade to develop some talent, while I was coding. He has no talent, never did, and never will. I always felt he was the #1 lamer on the scene and I won't move on that issue. I will let my 200+ demos speak for themselves. That's the only challenge I could imagine he'd come up with.

I was once voted #1 programmer in Mamba magazine (c64 mag), published in Compute! magazine (and paid) and a few businesses used my programming. I am content to fall back upon those laurels. Shark has his crumbling INC webpage with dead links and lame graphics. Death Demon has some demos to fall back upon, and he was good for his era. I'll grant him that, but he's a has been, and shouldn't make up lies about other people.

Sharky claims to have an ego but sadly it takes something to be egotistical about. He was a joke on the c64 :) Trailing behind him is his buddy JNP, the *cough* inventor *cough* of the colour to colour technique of scrolling colours through text.

I tried to take the high road and let them have the last word but they both seem to have more and more to say. At least I held my own and didn't run to some lamer for backup the way DD did. In fact, I'd hardly call Shark ammunition in an argument. What a loss of credibility, it backfired on him.

So a week of failing to prove your point and running to get help, equates to a loss in my opinion. A lamer with a dead website and nothing behind him to speak for his skills, is another loss. My 200+ demos will speak for themselves.

I rest my case... and once again, they can have the last word.

2005-02-15 00:56

Death Demon
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Quote:

Death Demon has some demos to fall back upon, and he was good for his era. I'll grant him that, but he's a has been, and shouldn't make up lies about other people.

Yes, I was good for my era. Some would take that recognition a step further. From there I moved on to more advanced graphics to the point where I started inventing advanced algorithms for 3D graphics. This got me into Silicon Graphics as a hardware design engineer. From there I moved to 3DFX and eventually Nvidia where I am now. Since defocussing my graphics efforts on the C64 demo scene, I have shipped well over 60 million graphics processors (you probably have one of my designs in your computer right now) that a new generation of graphics programmers are learning how to use/manipulate and have several patents ranging from computer automated silicon verification to advanced temporal filtering. A has been? ;)

In any event, is that what your email was about? You want to be thought of as having been better than me, by being "on top", so I'm now "raster boy"? I earned my place in C64 history along with Changeling. Together, we created something I'm really proud of both in terms of FBR and the North American demo scene. A lot of programmers were both inspired and educated by us and that makes me very proud. But that time is over. And all we can do is live with the judgement of history. That judgement doesn't change by sending email to people and resorting to name calling.

I've posted up verifiable information. You've posted unverifiable accusations and childish attacks. This is the end. I've wasted enough time with someone I neither knew, nor care to.

2005-02-15 01:37

Wanderer
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Death Demon
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Whatever he said, the last word has been spoken.

The entertainment value of the entire situation was priceless though *giggle*

See Ya!

2005-02-15 05:25

RaveGuru

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 43

Wooah! Now I remember what kept me calling the boards for all these years. Can't remember last time I saw a flamewar this entertaining though. Hats off and applause!

2005-02-15 09:50

Puterman
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Yes, very "entertaining".

Here's a short summary for those who don't feel like wading through hundreds of lines of childishness:

- You smoke crack!

- No, _you_ smoke crack, and you live in a trailer!

- No way, you college dropout!

- College dropout? I'm a fucking professor!

- No, you're not, but I earn $666666666 a year!

- Fuck you, crack smoker, I'm ignoring you!

- Hey, who's the fucking crack smoker?

- Haha, I can't hear what you're saying!

- Because you smoke too much crack?

- Still can't hear you!

- Stop smoking so much crack, godammit!

2005-02-15 10:06

hollowman

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474

thats a crappy summary, you left out the best bits about having crooked eyes and performing physical abuse with a spatula

2005-02-15 19:25

Wanderer
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hollowman: I laughed my ass off at your reply.

I have to concur, the summary of events is horribly inaccurate. I'm not a professor, I'm a social worker.

It was refreshing entertainment though but alas, all good things must come to an end. If this thread makes 50 posts it will be a sad day indeed :D

2005-02-15 23:09

Death Demon
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This is in no way a flame war. I have not flamed Wanderer yet as I've been trying to keep this a dignified warning to old friends out there.

In any event, despite Wanderer having said he was done and would no longer be bothering me, I'm not getting private messages from him on this forum as well. I can't respond because he has me on ignore, so I'll simply post it here.

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Message sent by: Wanderer on 2005-02-15 03:37:06.606952+01
You check in every 10 minutes, how much of a life are you lacking? Oh wait... you're the same guy who spent a week arguing over ONE email. lol... truly lame. Bye Bruce

I told you once, I'll tell you again. I don't know you. I don't want to know you. Leave me alone. No more emails, no private messages, no chatting, NOTHING. I have no idea why you have this obsession with me.

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