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2005-02-08 23:11

Death Demon
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Careful with your email addresses

I've been poking around the nostalgia sites recently popping my email address up hoping to get in touch with old friends from the scene. Instead, old jealousy has found a way of poking it's ugly head out. I can't believe that jealousy like this still exists after, what, 20 years now?

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From: lkjlkjljk pablo [lkjlkjljkpablo_797@hotmail.com]
raster boy lives again.... total lack of imagination raster boiiiiiiiiii

Only one person who ever refered to me as that. In fact, he has a web page up right now that refers to me as that. Man, can't believe some people can't let go. Hmm, actually it looks like he's updated it in the last few days. Luckily, Google still has it around. If you're interested, do a google search for +"wanderer" +"the survivors" +"raster boy"

Wanderer Commodore 64 c64 NTSC intro demo fbr pe the survivors ...
... I ripped anything after my beginning months in The Survivors. ... a member of FBR who
I call raster boy (DxxxxDxxxx ... did you change your name from Satan to Wanderer? ...
www.ontarioghosttowns.com/c64/c64.html - 84k - Cached - Similar pages

In any event, as I stated, please be careful. It appears that some people out there are still bent out of shape over scene related issues.

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2005-02-15 23:19

Wanderer
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Are you STILL still warnin... umm whining Bruce?

Six days and 2000 messages later and you still have more to say.

Just keep telling yourself, it's only a computer, nobody on here cares about your personal issues with me, and yes Bruce, you CAN block people on here when they upset your feelings. Everyone receives a private message once in a while, I've even had some less than flattering ones. But I don't whine on a message board for a week.

Seriously, let it go or get psychological help on this one. You had the last word twice and still have more to say.

2005-02-15 23:44

Death Demon
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Great. So some lamer from 20 years ago refuses to grow up or let go of obsessions with people in the elite scene and now I have to choose to block them in order to not be exposed to their active and extremely high levels of retardation. Joy. Good thing you're counseling children on how to act.

2005-02-16 00:00

Wanderer
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Enough already, sheesh.

You made a huge public spectacle of the fact you claim you received an email.

We won't get into the fact the message ID is meaningless. You simply changed the IP address. The IP address resolves to Sudbury *but* it's used by people as far away as 300 kilometres away. That IP scope (as proven to me by going on IRC and resolving IP's of people living as far away as Toronto and Barrie, 4 hours away) belongs not only to my city but many other cities. Sudbury is where the central servers happen to be (Check it on Arin.net)

We also won't get into the fact that I could have used Proxify, The Cloak or a variety of other anonymous services. And yes, some do support HTTPS. So you'd have us believe I chose to use a direct connection?

There's also proxy servers like marketscore.com, a well known proxy. But alas I used my own ISP you claim....

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 69.60.224.10
69.60.224.11
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:47:43
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:47:4

Note the DNS servers, note the host of my webpage, note the IP of any mail I send out. The computer goes to a router so it's in the 192.x.x.x class.

You lied... plain and simple.

While it is true I idolized FBR/Abyss before I knew how to program, it was you who chose to call me at my own home and bitch about something you allege I said. I let that go.

I sent you a private message and you whined some more publically. All of this labelled as a 'warning' but the tone and changing content of your messages says it's more than that.

You tried the obsession and jealousy angles and failed there, you tried Slanty Eyed Shark (bad move there) and failed... and now you're trying the "Don't talk to me, I don't want a relationship with you." approach.

You're not my type Bruce. I'm married but thanks for thinking of me in that light.

You know you DID have a choice. You could have deleted this so called mail if you really did receive it and drop the matter. But look at all you have to say. Evidentally you had a lot of issues you needed to get out, and it shows. I guess I'd have faked an email as well if only to present an opportunity to badmouth me as well.

What was the trigger I wonder? Could it have been your visit to my website? You did after all, sign me up to mailing lists. It makes sense, now I'm seeing a better picture of how you work.

Your glory days were over by the time I came along and I coded circles around your rasters. That in itself is good enough for me. I don't understand why you still have more and more to say though... I gave you final say twice now.

When will you be good and finished? I will go get popcorn and wait for the grand finale :)

p.s. Bruce, it wasn't an 'elite' scene. It was a bunch of 16 year old kids in front of a computer. There was nothing elite about it.

So for the sake of all... I will give you the last word a THIRD time around. Take an hour, compose your thoughts and vent as much as you want. But when it's all said and done, please, for the sake of people who don't care about your personal issues, let it be your last. Even if someone else posts after you... let it go... you're a big boy, I know you can do it.

I'll await your next diatribe.... make it good.

2005-02-16 01:35

Death Demon
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I'm very sorry that the scene has weighed so heavily on your life that you're filled with such great levels of animosity towards myself and others as has been displayed above. You should be proud of your own accomplishments without having to be compared to me by yourself or any other person.

I've spoken with others about this phone call you received and I'm pretty sure that I never called you. I think that someone played a prank on you back then pretending to be me on the phone.

2005-02-16 02:41

Wanderer
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Jealousy angle... check.
Obsession angle.. check.
Animosity angle.. check.

*munches popcorn*

>I'm very sorry that the scene has weighed so heavily on
>your life that you're filled with such great levels of
>animosity towards myself and others as has been displayed
>above.

Dude, I said I once looked up to FBR, I didn't say that I drove around with a miniature statue of FBR on my dashboard in praise. There is a huge difference between looking up to a group and being envious of them. As you disappeared into oblivion, I was becoming a well known name. I don't understand how you feel I'm envious at all. I have seen your work and seen my own, and I know mine was much better. This has NEVER been an issue of comparing talent - don't try to make it one now. Don't even try that angle... that would be sad.

Why is it just you then? Out of all the programmers in the USA, why only you? I'll tell you why... you called me up complaining about something, made a comment about my FBR intro and tried subscribing me to mailing lists. You're passive aggressive, and for who knows what reason, you can't stand me (or my programming).

> You should be proud of your own accomplishments without
>having to be compared to me by yourself or any other
>person.

Ahh but you see Bruce I've always been proud of my work. I'm not "comparing" it at all. Your demos cannot compare to mine, your whole argument is falling on its face. I simply said I looked up to FBR when I was learning to code. Once I learned machine code, I stopped looking up to others and started admiring my own work :)

Hell, I used to have a letter from Streetkiller handwritten when he was learning to code and looked up to me. It had little happy faces and such all over it. People idolized me, it goes with the territory. But for some reason, you seem to be envious of something I have done.

I must repeat myself again... this is about you, not me.

You claimed I mailed you. I did not.

I posted many reasons how I could have used an anonymous means and you failed to address that. You fail to address it's not my ISP.

My ONLY issue with you is you are lying. Period.

You have introduced comparing programming and used phrases such as 'envious'. I believe this answers the question of why you faked the mail. It also explains the mailing list attempt.

>I've spoken with others about this phone call you received
>and I'm pretty sure that I never called you. I think that
>someone played a prank on you back then pretending to be
>me on the phone.

Nope because I followed that up with an mail to you on the BBS and you replied. I can't recall what you said though, it was years ago. I doubt that you spoke with others, I mean what would you ask them? "Hey did I ever phone Wanderer?", how would they know? Seriously. Did you dictate every phone call you ever made to your friends.

You were a good programmer for the era. Your time was up.

I was a good programmer for my era. My time was up (routines were becoming more complex).

The difference between us is, I let go of those years ages ago. For you to be going on, soon to be, 60 messages of horseshit is insane.

Nobody on here cares about the ONE mail you *claim* to have received. Now go call your theraphist. I will stop posting replies, in an effort to aid you in your getting better.

2005-02-16 07:02

The Shark-INC
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Hi Wanderer (Mike),

I checked the alumni page at Laurentian University as you suggested, and no "Mike Lalonde" or "Michael Lalonde" was listed. Funny, though, because nearly anyone can be listed at that web page. To prove this point, Rob Hubbard (majoring in SID Composing) was is registered into the alumni search database. Search for him...

Due to all the Mike Lalondes in Sudbury (Canada), we are going to need to see some hard proof that you graduated from that college. Can you help us out here? For example, do you have an alumni card that you could scan in and put on a web page somewhere? The longer you take with this, the more suspicious we'll become.

Oh, and how's the research coming along on my first challenge to you? It is important that for your credibility that you prove those allegations about me if you expect people here to start believing you. Further, you claim to be ignoring me and Death Demon yet you keep responding. A member here even posted how inconsistent that was (much like many of your other claims).

You are a compulsive liar and obsessed with harassing Death Demon and I. Contacting work addresses, home email address, posting fake messages, inventing fake profiles, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if you have been also harassing the Stormbringer these years. Unlike you, he went on to a successful programming career because he had talent and smarts.

The C64 scene has matured since the 80s. Too bad Wandered hasn't caught up.

The Shark

2005-02-16 08:31

TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879

I think it's kinda funny that in a thread with the name 'Careful with your email addresses' somebody uses his email address as his username ;)

Now, lemme go grab more popcorn, this is kinda nice.

2005-02-16 13:22

Crossfire
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Hehe, it's kinda nice seing an argument this long, and I'm not even involved in it *LOL*

2005-02-16 18:47

H.O
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This is just getting more and more amusing. So, should we form fan-clubs and start cheering for which ever side we believe in now? :)

(To be more serious; the thread is both amusing and scaring to read at the same time. I think most of us has made up our mind on which side we believe though, so I dont think further discussions will sway anyones opinion -- in case that is important to anyone)

2005-02-16 20:46

Wanderer
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>This is just getting more and more amusing. So, should we
>form fan-clubs and start cheering for which ever side we
>believe in now? :)

I'm only here posting for the free George Foreman grill. I was told that after 50 posts, that sucker was mine.

I was stiffed but I remain optimistic that when we reach 70 posts, I'll be eligible for this...

http://www.wonderfulbuys.ca/flowbee_haircutting_system/flowhair..

I want that sucker something fierce... free haircuts for all. :)

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>To be more serious; the thread is both amusing and scaring
>to read at the same time. I think most of us has made up
>our mind on which side we believe though, so I dont think
>further discussions will sway anyones opinion -- in case
>that is important to anyone

You hit the nail on the head my friend. I don't think this was ever about 'one to one' communication. I think it was about what the 'public' thought.

Pass me the popcorn.

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