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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 486 |
24h rules for First Releases & board list extension
Moved this topic to the forum because it does not only belong to a special release.
In this topic the 3 lists are different:
The rules for Jazzcats list (Vandalism News) is not very precise on that topic.
"The group uploading to the majority of official sites within 24 hours of the initial first release or NTSC/PAL import will receive the points."
The rule in Game Corner (even not released for a while) is very precise here:
"If more than one group uploads a first release or PAL/NTSC import of the same game within 24 hours, the group which has its release available for download as first on the majority of official sites will get the points."
That's why we have an uneven amount of release boards.
The Propaganda List (lately published in Attitude #18) is precise as well, but different:
"You need to be first on all three boards to win the race. In other words: Make sure you spread your warez."
As an example the current release of "Hyperzap". The Facts:
* Uploaded first on Reflections by Laxity. Half hour later for Fairlight (by hedning/GP on behalf).
* Uploaded first ot Antidote by Laxity. Half hour later for Fairlight (by hedning/GP on behalf).
* The Hidden was unreachable. 15 hours later The Hidden was back. Uploaded first for Fairlight (by hedning/GP on behalf). 2 hours later by Laxity. Both within 24 hours to first upload by Laxity on Reflections.
Winner by list (by my understanding):
Vandalism News: Laxity. After Fairlight upload on The Hidden: Fairlight.
Game Corner: Laxity. First on 2 of 3 boards = majority. Point.
Proapaganda List: Laxity. After Fairlight upload on The Hidden: Fairlight.
This is a special situation. It is not uncommon that one or more boards is unreachable. But it is uncommon that it is back within the 24 timeframe and someone takes the chance to win the race ca. 20 hours after the first upload.
Best interpretation in terms of "winning a race" is in my opinion the rule of Game Corner (not just because it is mine).
And I would like to extend the list of counted boards by RapidFire which proved to be very reliable. To get an un uneven amount we would need a 5th one. My eye is on Raveolution or Frozen Floppy but none of them has proved the needed stability and availability yet. Until they do, I would opt for RapidFire as a fallback to count if situation is not clear due to unreachability of others.
This is my point to be discussed. Let's start... |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Quote: I think that the "own members upload only" was to prevent the upload of rereleases back then: if someone else is able to upload legit releases of other groups then his upload of rereleases would have to be counted, too.
BTW: I'd also prefer a ftp site upload with correct time stamp... like TDD once was.
That's a good point. However: I can't recall one single incident since 2010 when this has happened. We all know what's goin' down on the boards, and we know when some random Joe is going bananas, and can ignore that. :) |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 440 |
Quote: Or, you could ask a friend to make a website where you can upload the file too, and then the webserver runs a script to upload it to BBSs!
Always trying to spoil the fun, he? :-D |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
okay, so we have consensus to remove this group member required thing for the upload? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Quote: okay, so we have consensus to remove this group member required thing for the upload?
Was there ever such a rule? I can't recall that. I double checked the rules from 2016, and can't find it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160407081910/http://www.atlantis-.. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
hmm i did not create it, but followed it (without effort), maybe game corner? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
Quote:Always trying to spoil the fun, he? :-D
so, what about - everyone is obliged to send their release to Danzig. Then Danzig decides what release he will upload, after he spent half an hour playing it. |
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Bacchus
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 156 |
So there was a rule, that wasn't documented but sort of in force anyways. The rule document is a beast and one would have to assume it's conclusive, but that is seemingly not the case.
I would agree that rules that aren't in the docs and that few ever heard of are should not be assumed to be in force... |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
will update it to cover can be uploaded on behalf of with discretionary review for rerelease scenario. |
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Tao
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 115 |
Personally I've always felt that Gamers Guide's focus on quality (though obviously smaller doesn't always mean higher quality, there was some room for improvement) releases made far more sense than the first release rankings.
Still, for first release charts I think sticking to BBSes, purely for the tradition, is the way to go. We release the charts in disk mags, not on web pages. Surely the games deserve to be released the proper way too?
I bet even Bacchus can find someone who can spend half an hour once a month uploading their cracks. If you want to cut down on the time spent connected to BBSes, do a bit of testing before uploading; that way you can avoid having to do multiple releases of the same crack ;) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2218 |
Quote:sticking to BBSes, purely for the tradition, is the way to go
Why??? I'm not convinced.
@rules: Sorry, but I more and more tend to join the silent f#%k rules people, especially if existing rules are getting even more bureaucratic as they already are, e.g. I've never heard of "must be uploaded by member". In the few cases (after Spider-J stopped cracking for good due to over-regulatory trend in current scene) in which we tried to receive stats points, people from other groups helped us, IIRC guys from Hokuto Force and Genesis Project. There are things I'm willing to accept, anyway, as I'd agree mere intro-linking sucks (no matter for what reason, firstie grabbing or mere laziness/attention whoring) some effort should be made in terms of quality - from a gamer's perspective (which is the only perspective that matters). But I don't need a rule for understanding that and you can't stop people from releasing lame shit, anyway. |
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