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grasstust
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 43 |
What's stopping someone from creating a fake account for downvoting?
I just don't get why people are allowed to vote anonymously...
What's stopping me then, from making a new fake account just
for down (or up)-voting someone?
I think this happened to Offence's Trick and Treat. Somebody just
made a fake account and voted 1 and 2. And it just fell from top 10 to
below 70.
I have never seen a downvoter voting with a handle, they're all anonymous...
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2218 |
Quote: Well, I do agree about not taking voting very seriously. But voting is used for stand alone compos aswell as a nice reward for a group to be appreciated. I mean, even HCL started complaining about a demo not deserving a top 10 placement, so it is taken at bit serious among the people on it.
And yeah, for better or worse, I think competition and lists have always been a strong force in the scene, even now that we've grown old and grey. :)
Quote:Man I'm so sad I can't create and send you some potion that you can drink and start to see the voting hubble bubble as I see :)
Word up & Cheers from one of the "worst" coders that ever breathed! :) Didn't stop me, though. |
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grasstust
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 43 |
Because the system is clearly getting exploited. And I think if people are afraid to stand behind their vote with their alias then maybe they shouldn't vote. Or their vote should count less. :) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2218 |
I totally agree that the current system in some cases tells more about how popular/hated sb is than about skills/quality. Recognizing that I'm "hated" enough to be downvoted anonymously rather encouraged me to make my own votes public than to define myself by taking those votes TOO seriously, otherwise I'd have thrown my hardware out of the window/killed myself/changed to Atari coding forever long ago. ;)
In general, I appreciate feedback very much and think, justified/constructive criticism helps you to improve. The comments are much more interesting to me than anonymous votes.
However, there are so many more serious issues in the world than the (in some respect stupid) CSDb voting system. At least it's sth to complain about/always a good icebreaker topic if you wanna start a conversation IRL with a scener you never talked to before :)
This so-called "weighted" (others would just call it "wrong") average calculation is sth which could easily be fixed without much ado/protests :)
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
Funnily, there are no such things as 'downvotes'.
In total I think annonymous voting is much rather used for 'upvoting' in some cases. If someone votes '1' its usually because he or she doesnt like that particular release very much - for whatever reason. Valid. Stupid but valid. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498 |
Quote: Because the system is clearly getting exploited. And I think if people are afraid to stand behind their vote with their alias then maybe they shouldn't vote. Or their vote should count less. :)
Sorry, but afaik anonymous voting is pretty much standard on every competition or election or whatever else contains some sort of voting in real life. I don't get why you make up conspiracy theories ("afraid to stand behind their vote"), just because people (like me) decide to choose an option they're used to all of their life.
So this decision makes every one of us (funny enough: the majority of voters on CSDb) suspicous in your eyes?!? |
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The Overkiller
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 342 |
Quoting enthusiFunnily, there are no such things as 'downvotes'.
In total I think annonymous voting is much rather used for 'upvoting' in some cases. If someone votes '1' its usually because he or she doesnt like that particular release very much - for whatever reason. Valid. Stupid but valid.
Hmmmm no .... often it's used for simply retaliation against a person or a group. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
In a lot of releases there's lot of work, and i know, that when you do your release with such a passion, that you start to tend to overrate your own production. That said, we have to sometimes accept that our impression doesn't meet the public opinion, or even the opinion of some that would waste their time with excessive downvoting.
In the end I FUCKING DON'T CARE. All that counts is, if _I_ can have a nice wank on my brilliant productions, and while on that, i really don't care about others :-P |
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grasstust
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 43 |
Quoting spider/MYDSorry, but afaik anonymous voting is pretty much standard on every competition or election or whatever else contains some sort of voting in real life. I don't get why you make up conspiracy theories ("afraid to stand behind their vote"), just because people (like me) decide to choose an option they're used to all of their life.
So this decision makes every one of us (funny enough: the majority of voters on CSDb) suspicous in your eyes?!?
Yes, all CSDb-users are suspicious in my eyes. :)
No, noone is suspicious. I'm simply trying to say that the current system is being abused.
No, I don't have conspiracy theories, I'm simply giving you hard evidence of how it is being abused.
And well, I think it's a stretch to compare this to larger voting systems such as a country's election. This is a small scene, and we're quite anonymous already. Why shouldn't we stand behind our votes with our aliases?
Actually, to be honest, I just read a point that have made me think a bit more about my point of view: Retaliation - Someone gives me a low score and that makes me want to give him/her a low score too. This could be a case with an open voting system. |
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grasstust
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 43 |
Quoting BitbreakerIn a lot of releases there's lot of work, and i know, that when you do your release with such a passion, that you start to tend to overrate your own production. That said, we have to sometimes accept that our impression doesn't meet the public opinion, or even the opinion of some that would waste their time with excessive downvoting.
In the end I FUCKING DON'T CARE. All that counts is, if _I_ can have a nice wank on my brilliant productions, and while on that, i really don't care about others :-P
:) I like the way you put that. I dunno, I'd like at least a few reactions, good or bad. I'm not too fond of wanking to my own productions. If absolutely noone cares, I think it would be a bit sad.
Damn... I got this childish urge to paint someone wanking to their own demo now... Maybe it could be a credits part for a bigger demo. When you present the parts with an icon and credits, you have this little character in the corner wanking to each part. Ofcourse, he would wear a "BITBREAKER" t-shirt! ;) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498 |
You got me wrong. I didn't want to *compare* voting here to elections. I wanted to say, that *everywhere else* (and also elections) I'm used to vote anonymously (i.e. parties). So I also do it here - just out of habit. And I still see no problem with that. So yeah, maybe every now and then some dumbass expresses his lack of mental balance with voting low for some 1337 prod. The little influence that this has on the overall score is imho no argument to change a system that works for the majority. |
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