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SuperNoise
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Old BreadBox doesn't work with U1541
Hello everybody here.
I have a serious problem because my compo-machine for Riverwash 2014 (with old sid) doesn't want to collaborate with U1541.
So generaly I have U1541-II with software 2.6j and it works fine with my C64C and it works also fine with C128 (PHI time change is required but it's normal).
I have one C64 made in Germany, breadbox edition (old sid). This C64 works fine with Action Replay 7.x and standard floppy drives but it doesn't work with U1541. The problem is, when I choose a file to execute from U1451 menu, the blue screen appears, and I can see 'mounting' comunicate, but this is all, the C64 stops.
Maybe you have any idea where shall I start my investigation to run up the old C64 again on the track, please help. |
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SuperNoise
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This movie shows my configuration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoJ7UEepZ1o&feature=youtu.be
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This shows problems with loading files (C64 stops on loading and does not go fruther):
http://youtu.be/O5HNH_j9GuE
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At last, problems with cartrige init:
http://youtu.be/jqmsykYvz7A
0. I start with cartridge 'Retro...'
1. I change cartridge to 'no cartridge'
2. I reset computer (once or twice), Basic stops.
3. I switch off and on, then the Basic appears.
1. I change cartridge to 'Retro...'
2. I reset computer (once or twice) - Basic appears.
3. I switch off and on, then the Basic stops.
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
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You may have already done this, but have you tried using another power supply? Or perhaps try to clean the connectors on the c64 (cartridge). Remove everything and only connect the 1541u2 and try again |
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SuperNoise
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I have tested two power supplies. One original breadbox, second new C64C one. Both of them work fine with new C64C+U1541. Both work fine with breadbox attached to real 1541 drive.
I didn't hardly checked connectors in fact, due to correct work of breadbox c64 with real Action Replay 7. OK, I will check it today evening. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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not a party stopper if it works with a real drive. just some more work to copy the releases the disks. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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beats me why you would'nt use the real deal in a compo anyway |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
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I believe no one is using regular 1541 during polish parties nowadays ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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which is a shame really. at least for trackmo that should be a must. i'd hate to see a 1541u menu popping up for diskchange in my demo during compo. (which wont work anyway as soon as some advanced raster/nmi setup is used in the turn disk part) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
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Don't be a grumpy old man ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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nothing to do with that really, as said, it simply wont work in many cases anyway - so you NEED a real setup anyway if you want to be properly prepared. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
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remember two years ago how the chameleon change disk with coma light 13 didn't work and peiseluli was short before going bananas? :)
So, basically what groepaz sez about competition machine/REAL drive.
However, working U is a great piece of hardware, so good luck with fixing your problems with 1541U anyway |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
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I totally agree that orgs should have always real drive as a lifesaver, but U1541 is imho the best primary option these days :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:remember two years ago how the chameleon change disk with coma light 13 didn't work and peiseluli was short before going bananas? :)
they used 1541U at X :) however that wasnt the problem... someone inserted the wrong disk into the real drive and it crashed (of course) =) |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
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I ran the Datastorm compo on my 1541U2, but used two C64s - one dedicated to selecting disks, and the IEC cable connected to the other C64 which ran the actual demo. Worked splendidly, and you need two machines for the music compo anyway. |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
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Hopefully after the next beta of the chameleon update, chameleon can be used instead of 1541u in compos :-) No need to freeze, flip disks via button |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
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Or Kisiel's UK1541 which uses buttons and an external display. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
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Yeah, his piece of hardware might turn out a bestseller, especially that it's supposed to be really affordable. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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time for more emufuxoring =) so far no floppy emulation exists that can pass all the testprograms i knocked up so far (and i didnt even start with the fancy stuff yet) |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
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@groepaz. Just remember to implement these into the chameleon core to get more of a headstart :-) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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oh, 9b will be the leader regarding those tests :) (although still not able to pass all of them, VIAs are doing weird stuff in some corner cases) |
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SuperNoise
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Well, how far was your thinking here, guys :).
I didn't say I'm going to run demos from U1541 during compo :D.
Anyway, the U1541 is required because most of stuff I get from people is on USB stick and it's much easier/faster to manage VFAT filesystem than copy disk files on real C64. Belive me, during party such thinks take a lot of time if managed with real C64 stuff.
If you have all prods in order, when you can decide what goes on real 1541 and what may be run from U1541 durring compo.
But even when (as you said before) you alway have a backup copy on U1541 and in case disk is broken (what happens with 20 years old disks) so you can run production from backup without hastle.
I don't see any problem to run productions (even music, gfx) from real C64 and real floppy. I'm prepared with old C64, C64C, C128, 2-sid C64G, all sort of original Commodore floppys (1541,1541-II, 1571, 1581 if required) but the true is - never, NO ONE, ask me 'hey just run my prod with floppy xxxx' - for five last years NO ONE.
So, may we come back to the root problem now? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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as for your root problem, you should try to contact gideon... its probably a timing problem that only a firmware update can fix, the early mobos are a bit glitchy when it comes to timing. (we had a bunch of related problems with chameleon as well) |
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SuperNoise
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or buy a new breadbox ;) which would be probably faster to achieve results in 2 weeks.
I have sent my problem to facebooks U1541 forum where Gideon is a member but guys, I know the problem is in C64, not in the U1541, so what can I expect from Gideon? :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:I know the problem is in C64, not in the U1541, so what can I expect from Gideon?
as said, glitchy timing - and it could be fixed in the firmware if thats actually the case. similar thing as this phi1 delay stuff for c128. |
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SuperNoise
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@Algorithm: unfortunately precisious pin cleaning did not work |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
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Must be a timing issue then. You have other c64's so I guess not too much to worry about :-) |
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SuperNoise
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Thank you very much for help and experience exchange.
I will try continiously press Gideon in this issue.
I have just bought a new breadbox in meantime. I will see if this one at last works :) |
