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Echoes   [2009]

Echoes Released by :
Maniacs of Noise [web]

Release Date :
21 September 2009

Type :
C64 Music

User rating:*********_  9.4/10 (20 votes)   See votestatistics
**********  9.8/10 (9 votes) - Public votes only.

Credits :
Code .... Geir Tjelta of Maniacs of Noise
Music .... Geir Tjelta of Maniacs of Noise
Idea .... Geir Tjelta of Maniacs of Noise


SIDs used in this release :
Echoes(/MUSICIANS/T/Tjelta_Geir/Echoes.sid)

Download :
http://csdb.dk/getinternalfile.php/79388/Echoes (Geir\'s 6581 SID-chip).mp3 (downloads: 1669)
http://csdb.dk/getinternalfile.php/79385/echoes.d64 (downloads: 791)

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User Comment
Submitted by Geir on 29 December 2010
Thanks Stain, Sixx, BLiTZ, Ole Marius and everyone else. Wow, it's almost two years since it was coded. Time flies too fast.
User Comment
Submitted by Ole Marius on 6 December 2010
Hell yeah! this rules - never got to give it a proper listen.

Very clever indeed, my friend :)
User Comment
Submitted by BLiTZ on 21 December 2009
I am really impressed.
User Comment
Submitted by -$iXX!- on 21 December 2009
Things that make you go wow..
User Comment
Submitted by Stainless Steel on 17 October 2009
This sounds so awesome. Geir, you are my hero. Now please please make a SDI 2.07 player source modification so I can optionally include this FX in any tune I finalize with tass.
User Comment
Submitted by No-XS on 15 October 2009
Nice! LoS meets Tim Follin (echoes with a little touch of digi sound). As I have a very lively imagination of what this music looks like, I think it should be a graphic release! (jk :))
User Comment
Submitted by Jostein Topland on 7 October 2009
The tune is really awesome! Looking forward to the SID in the HVSC :)
User Comment
Submitted by FATFrost on 26 September 2009
Very nice work again! now someone please make more demos for Geir to make tunes for!!!
User Comment
Submitted by LOGAN on 25 September 2009
Great innovations in recent times. Makes me wish these things were invented when the C64 were in its popular days.

I hope some people eventually will add this to composers and players, or write a player detect and reroute the original player through this fantastic code.
User Comment
Submitted by iAN CooG on 24 September 2009
Necropolo: yes, it matters because this is a DATABASE to catalogue C64 scene software and software categories DO matter.
Putting aside that, very wicked invention =)
User Comment
Submitted by NecroPolo on 24 September 2009
?

No, it doesn't look better with deleted responses of the other party, though...
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 24 September 2009
He he.



@Geir - thanx for adding tass file.
User Comment
Submitted by NecroPolo on 24 September 2009
...there is this important invention that may influence a lot of the evolution of all future SID creating softwares / music and your most important probem half the page is ...DEFINITION OF THE RELEASE?!?

FUCKIN' HELLS BELLS!!!!!!!! :)

Does that matter at all?

C'mon! Climb down from the tree...
User Comment
Submitted by Stein on 24 September 2009
It's not hard to understand. We obviously disagree about what constitutes a tool, that's all. Since I'm not a moderator here, I'll just shut up. :-)
User Comment
Submitted by Stein on 24 September 2009
Hehe, so my analogy wasn't very clear. Yes, the hammer is a tool, but the car is not. Even with a hammer in it.
User Comment
Submitted by Stein on 24 September 2009
Awesome effect, Geir! I think you must have an odd definition of what a tool is though. Even if your car has a hammer in the trunk, that doesn't make it a tool. ;-)
User Comment
Submitted by Laxity on 24 September 2009
Neat one Geir..
User Comment
Submitted by Groepaz on 24 September 2009
hehe indeed. if anything its a technical DEMOnstration - but certainly not a tool :)
User Comment
Submitted by Radiant on 24 September 2009
Code trick or not, this is not a tool but a music release.
User Comment
Submitted by Geir on 24 September 2009
Thanks for comments, good and less good words. Tune is half-finished I'm sorry, but some missunderstanding made it a spontanious release, plus too many rumours, and too much talk. MP3-file preview is a little under 1MB, because of the filelimit on CSDb, but the tune is 3 minutes. Just make up your own words on verse 1 and 2, and you can sing along, or just whistle if you've got an annoying voice. lol

Actually, I assume this is a codetrick (?!) release, so I've updated it as a Tool. Put any tune in the IRQ as you'd like, you'll get the effect. Jeroen Tel tunes or whatever. :) You need to replace an LDA (OSC3 waveform pointer) inside the IRQ, and find the tune's $d418 (store bandpass+$08 to the NMI's ORA from main IRQ). Remove $d418 in the original tune. You can also tweak the delay offset for the ringbuffer to fit the tune.

Now I only have to test it backwards, or make a loop-recorder. I've tested playing back the OSC3 an octave lower, and it worked fine. This trick is not only for delays. Sorry for this long comment (not a fan of those). :D
User Comment
Submitted by Jogeir on 24 September 2009
Excellent stuff Geir! Your style is awesome, but of course you knew that already! Kudos & keep it real!
User Comment
Submitted by Radiant on 23 September 2009
The tune is actually rather beautiful.
User Comment
Submitted by Richard on 22 September 2009
I love the style :) Nice one Geir!
User Comment
Submitted by NecroPolo on 22 September 2009
I'm not too fond of music content this time - but respect for sound, coding and innovation.
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 22 September 2009
Quoting linge
Very cool effect, and a good song too. Now, the next step is to add some delay feedback!

I guess you can make some more stuff with it, some other wicked SFX like the flanger ect. Maybe even a whole next SID voice.

Hmm, I think some time ago I shared such an idea with Mixer and Soundemon (about some realitme SID mixing using TCHM code as the output, so you prebuffer a wave+note, and then you play it afterwards along with real SID voice, so this would perchaps result in a synthesizer alike possibilities) but fortunately I'm too lame to code this. Should be left for PROs to do it. I'll get into SID coding on my retirement :>
User Comment
Submitted by Frantic on 22 September 2009
Greetings to the SID innovators!
User Comment
Submitted by linde on 22 September 2009
Very cool effect, and a good song too. Now, the next step is to add some delay feedback!
User Comment
Submitted by Stainless Steel on 22 September 2009
could this be implemented into the hopefuly soon to be released new SDI version?
User Comment
Submitted by The Human Code Machine on 22 September 2009
Yep, the routine reads osciallator 3 output and writes it using a delayed ringbuffer back to $D418. Nice idea by the way and really good work!
User Comment
Submitted by Groepaz on 22 September 2009
and now short technical explaination please... i am too lazy to disasm now =) is it sampling osc3/env3, putting it into a ringbuffer, and playing it back with some delay via $d418 ?
User Comment
Submitted by Inge on 22 September 2009
Sounds ok in CCS64.
User Comment
Submitted by Groepaz on 22 September 2009
i'd seriously like to see a tech demo which shows the effect more obviously... somehow i cant notice a difference at all when pressing space =P (and actually, thats a good thing. the best effects are those that you dont see)

edit: AHA! in vice using 8580+digiboost seems to make the effect much more prominent. NICE indeed.
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 22 September 2009
Quoting Geir

@Ed. It is not to be played on a emulator. Somehow the emulators can't get it as smooth as the real thing. Don't vote on behalf of listening to it on an emulator.


I must be deaf because on Vice 2.1 with 6581R3 3984 or R4AR 3789 it sounds nearly as same smooth as the mp3. Hmmm...

Awesome stuff. Great work \o/
User Comment
Submitted by ne7 on 22 September 2009
lovely!
User Comment
Submitted by PAL on 22 September 2009
Beautiful Geir... Love your work and have done so for a lot of years old friend. When the last part in the phoenix demo from shape hit the screen and speakers, and it really often do so here at my place, I am in heaven... a super tune and a lovable part(also mark that this demo has some really marvelous graphics by charles deenen and unitrax, marius skogheim).

The music you produce these days are really good, I give this a 9 because I really think another beginning tune are alot better, the one in the latest shape demo, artillery... but sound quality from this is very very good... it is outstanding sound quality on a tune straight from the synthesizer we all love to love so much. The code for this as you told me is really cool and noone ever did that, that is so interesting to me... it really creates another dimension in a way...

Keep up the good work and I hope you are having a blast doing the new ones. It has too be fun this!

Your PAL
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 22 September 2009
I give it 1 coz Geir did not send it for pure C64 Silesia Party which happened just this weekend, and instead released it on a CSDb a day after!!! SHAME!

Haha

User Comment
Submitted by Xiny6581 on 21 September 2009
This is impressive. It sounds so smooth and clear! Respect.
User Comment
Submitted by Steppe on 21 September 2009
At first I thought, yawn, a two channel tune with channel three being switchable on and off. But on close listening it's - yawn - a three channel sid with the fourth channel being switchable... oh wait, WTF! :-)
Honestly, are you sampling the output of one channel to $D418 or how does this work???
User Comment
Submitted by Radiant on 21 September 2009
WTF?!
User Comment
Submitted by Zyron on 21 September 2009
*rubbing eyes*
Damn, you're right Drax! How did I miss that? :)
User Comment
Submitted by DRAX on 21 September 2009
Zyron - there is a mp3 version of it ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Hermit on 21 September 2009
I've listened it straight on real C64, and the quality is quite outstanding :)
And I also love the amazing feeling that the tune itself caused me...touching solo melody!

I'm very curious how Geir made this echo method that made it possible to extend the c64's soundstage, and give the feeling I turned on the FX knob on a HiFi..
User Comment
Submitted by Zyron on 21 September 2009
Any chance of an MP3 directly from your own SID Geir? Like you say, VICE does not play this very well.
User Comment
Submitted by SIDWAVE on 21 September 2009
A tune I will remember, also in 6 months, or 6 years.
User Comment
Submitted by DRAX on 21 September 2009
Geir is paying ... big time and long time... you don't want to know how he is paying, Linus ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Geir on 21 September 2009
@Ed. It is not to be played on a emulator. Somehow the emulators can't get it as smooth as the real thing. Don't vote on behalf of listening to it on an emulator.
User Comment
Submitted by Linus on 21 September 2009
I thought Geir was a MON pay member ... until now :) Wicked ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Inge on 21 September 2009
Simple but damn effective! Just as you said ;-)

Sounds Great!
User Comment
Submitted by Ed on 21 September 2009
Catchy melody and all that, but ... Maybe it's the lack of glitches and bad quality. At first when I heard the echo sound, I thought. Yeah.. they all sound like that anyway... The drums are not echo:ed, are they? My computer here is bad at playing back the audio....

User Comment
Submitted by Celtic on 21 September 2009
Changed release date to today, production would be in april, but since today is release to the public, the release date is changed.

Besides that: WOW! Amazing tune, totally awesome!
User Comment
Submitted by DRAX on 21 September 2009
At last... This is so awesome... I am glad it is finally release... I think I heard it first time around april/may... The main reason we wanted you to join MoN ;D
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