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C= with Arrows 101% [2024] |
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commodore logo with Pagadata arrows
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Submitted by MMS_Z on 11 August 2024
@4gentE sorry to answer you too early :-) I think I cannot delete it now, but never mind, I am always open to constructive critics, and I also know this pic is not in the same class as the winners. But it was fun to create it and it means a lot to me :-)
@JackAsser thanks for the clarification. I was aware the C64 Color RAM is SRAM and at fixed position, but I was not aware it is only 4bit, I though they used only the lower 4 bits of the byte.
Well on C= Plus/4 (my main platform) you can freely move the color RAM whenever you want (together with Character RAM and Bitmap) and certainly it is a full byte. On the other hand, Plus/4 needs a full byte for the color info due to color+luma content, counts up to 127 variations. So the concept I described would need extra 1K RAM on +4 next to charmap and color map, and so on C64 too. |
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Submitted by 4gentE on 11 August 2024
@MMS_Z
Yeah, I realized there was that blue 1 pixel line char (the top of C=) there, so that spot had to be in background color, as soon as I posted the comment. So it’s either like this or sacrifice the very top of letter C. It’s a coincidence you managed to read the comment, it was live for maybe 1 minute before I erased it. |
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Submitted by JackAsser on 11 August 2024
Very nice!!!
@mms: the color ram is only 4-bit though, so it would require more RAM and the vic would need to fetch 8+8 bits per char, instead of 8+4 |
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Submitted by MMS_Z on 11 August 2024
@4gentE: thanks, but nope. The darker green is the background color, and due the curve, this attribute position has some blue lines, so I could not set light green as a background. In fact 15 positions have this attribute issue, if I calculated it properly.
If I would swap the background color to ligh green, the arrow backround would just swap between the two, but there would be other errors around the C letter, maybe worse than this.
Supposely I would release an ECM version of the same pic in the future, without these attribute defects. (but ECM was not allowed on Pagadata, just pure PETSCII)
BTW imagine if Commodore would create a special PETSCII mode with free background color per attribute (theoretically it would not need more memory: lower 4 bit in Color map is the background, the upper 4 bit is the foreground color. Imagine the pictures we could have created with such a mode, even not limited to 4 background color + 64 characters, like ECM. I think even the creator was not aware of the full potentials of this mode. |
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Submitted by 4gentE on 11 August 2024
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Submitted by MMS_Z on 11 August 2024
| OK, valid point. Sorry for the mistake. |
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Submitted by iAN CooG on 11 August 2024
Not released at pagadata2024.
" after the compo " is the reason this should not be associated with the compo.
Compo version: C= with Arrows |
User Comment
Submitted by MMS_Z on 11 August 2024
The 101% version of my release ranked #11 on Pagadata 2004.
(corrected some smaller mistakes I noticed after the compo, seems I was too tired to notice the differences in the C letter). |
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