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The Movers ([!])

AKA:
Movers

Founded by :
Scanner, Skylab, AMAdeus, Drago & General Zoff in April 1987

Dissolved in :
7 December 1988

Group Type :
Cracker Group

Base Country :
Germany

Website :
http://www.the-movers.de

Trivia :
There was this fantastic cooperation with Strike Force on the C64.

User rating:

awaiting 8 votes (2 left) See votestatistics

All Members :

General Zoff	(4-1987 -> )	....	Coder, Cracker, PAL-Fixer
Skylab	(4-1987 -> )	....	Importer, Mega Swapper, Organizer, Original Supplier, Sysop
AMAdeus (inactive)	(4-1987 -> )	....	Importer, Mega Swapper, Organizer, Original Supplier
Drago (inactive)	(4-1987 -> )	....	Importer, Mega Swapper, Organizer, Original Supplier
RGB Canada (inactive)	(1987 -> )	....	Co-Organizer, Cracker, Mega Swapper, NTSC-Fixer, Original Supplier
Buggy (ex)		....	Swapper
Guruwizard (ex)	(4-1987 -> 1987)	....	Coder, Cracker
Jungle Fighter (ex)	(24/1-2006 -> 30/11-2013)	....	(unknown function)
Kenwood (ex)	(1987 -> 1987)	....	Swapper
Scanner (ex)	(4-1987 -> 1988)	....	Coder, Cracker, Swapper

Releases : (185)

Tangent +3H	...	1995	Crack (Recrack, Import)
Samurai Warrior: The Battles of Usagi Yojimbo +	...	1993	Crack (Import)
Cruisers Letter	...	1990	Misc.
Mini Golf	...	1989	Crack (Import)
Microprose Soccer	...	1989	Crack (Import)
Scorpio [seuck]	...	1989	Crack
Tiebreaker	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Tiger Road	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Graffiti Man +2	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Graffiti Man +2	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Oh No!	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Mini Golf	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Ghost Hunters	...	1988	Crack
Speedway-Hero	...	1988	Crack
The End	...	1988	Misc.
Mini Golf	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Microprose Soccer	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Mini Golf	...	1988	Crack
Microprose Soccer	...	1988	Crack
Bombuzal	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Counterforce +2M	...	1988	Crack (NTSC fixed, Import)
Trigger Happy	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Counterforce +2M	...	1988	Crack
Trigger Happy	...	1988	Crack
Return of the Jedi	...	1988	Crack
Scorpion +3	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Master Blaster +3	...	1988	Crack
Pulsoid +	...	1988	Crack (100%)
N.E.I.L. Android	...	1988	Crack
Skateboard Joust	...	1988	Crack
Terrafighter +3	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Turbo Boat Simulator	...	1988	Crack
Live and Let Die +2	...	1988	Crack
TKO	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Exceleron Preview	...	1988	Crack (Preview)
Operation Wolf Preview	...	1988	Crack (Preview)
A Journey to the Center of the Earth	...	1988	Crack (Import)
A Journey to the Center of the Earth	...	1988	Crack
Ocean Conqueror	...	1988	Crack
Slayer +	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Street Sports Football	...	1988	Crack (Import)
BMX Ninja +M	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Gladiator	...	1988	Crack
Strike Force & The Movers Intro	...	1988	Crack Intro
Cybernoid II +3	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Times of Lore	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Cybernoid II +3D	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Serve & Volley	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Castle of Terror	...	1988	Crack
Live and Let Die +2	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Pole Position II	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Western Fighter + [seuck]	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Scorpion +3	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Scorpion +3	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Slam-Dunk	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Serve & Volley	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Strike Force & The Movers Intro	...	1988	Crack Intro
Cybernoid 2 +3	...	1988	Crack (100%, Recrack)
Win, Lose or Draw	...	1988	Crack (Import)
The Games: Summer Edition +F	...	1988	Crack (PAL fixed, Import)
Virus +2	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Virus +2	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Nonterraqueous	...	1988	Crack
The Games: Summer Edition +F	...	1988	Crack (PAL fixed, Import)
Cheap Skate +	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Hawkeye +C	...	1988	Crack
Hawkeye +2	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Salamander +	...	1988	Crack
Barbarian +	...	1988	Crack
Virus +2	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Ball Blasta +1H	...	1988	Crack
Ball Blasta +	...	1988	Crack
Ball Blasta +	...	1988	Crack
Marauder	...	1988	Crack
Chopper Commander	...	1988	Crack
Scorpius	...	1988	Crack
Strike Force & The Movers Intro	...	1988	Crack Intro
Graphic Editor	...	1988	Crack
Knight Tyme	...	1988	Crack (101%)
Kane II	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Super Cup Football	...	1988	Crack
Mickey Mouse +	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Mickey Mouse +	...	1988	Crack
Strike Force & The Movers Intro	...	1988	Crack Intro
Knight Tyme	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Metropolis +	...	1988	Crack
Metropolis +	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Metropolis	...	1988	Crack
Metropolis	...	1988	Crack
Oh No!	...	1988	Crack
Oh No!	...	1988	Crack
Tangent	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Gothik +D	...	1988	Crack
Shanghai Karate	...	1988	Crack
Wheelies +2	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Tangent	...	1988	Crack
Wheelies	...	1988	Crack
Master Blaster	...	1988	Crack
Samurai Warrior: The Battles of Usagi Yojimbo +1D	...	1988	Crack
G.U.T.Z. +1D	...	1988	Crack
Strike Force & The Movers Intro	...	1988	Crack Intro
Instant Music	...	1988	Crack
Predator +4D	...	1988	Crack
Predator 103%	...	1988	Crack
Krabat Intro	...	1988	Crack Intro
Advanced Art Studio V1.2b	...	1988	Crack (Import)
2 New Intros	...	1988	Intro Collection
A Journey to the Center of the Earth	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons Preview	...	1988	Crack (Import, Preview)
Ball Blasta +	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Barbarian II	...	1988	Crack
Castle of Terror	...	1988	Crack
Cheap Skate	...	1988	Crack
Counterforce +2M	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Cybernoid II +3	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Graffiti Man +2	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Hopper Copper	...	1988	Crack
Intensity	...	1988	Crack
Joe Blade II	...	1988	Crack
Knight-Tyme	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Metropolis +	...	1988	Crack (Import)	(Released at The Sharks Copy Party)
Pharaoh's Revenge	...	1988	Crack (Import)
R-Type	...	1988	Crack (100%)
R-Type Preview	...	1988	Crack (Preview)
Raw Recruit	...	1988	Crack
Scorpion +3	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Sons of Liberty	...	1988	Crack
Stunt Bike Simulator	...	1988	Crack
Super Stuntman	...	1988	Crack (100%)
The Games: Summer Edition +F	...	1988	Crack (PAL fixed, Import)
The Last Ninja II	...	1988	Crack
Tiebreaker	...	1988	Crack
Tiger Road	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Tiger Road +4	...	1988	Crack (100%)
Times of Lore	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Times of Lore	...	1988	Crack (Import)
Trigger Happy	...	1988	Crack
Vector Ball	...	1988	Crack
Virus +2	...	1988	Crack (100%, Import)
Western Fighter + [seuck]	...	1988	Crack
Buggy Boy	...	1987	Crack (100%)
Skate Or Die Muzak	...	1987	One-File Demo
Mini Putt	...	1987	Crack
Solomon's Key	...	1987	Crack
The Mystery of the Nile	...	1987	Crack
Denarius	...	1987	Crack
Denarius	...	1987	Crack
Super Robin Hood	...	1987	Crack
The Movers Intro (Zoff Serial No.002)	...	1987	Crack Intro
Doc the Destroyer	...	1987	Crack
The Movers Intro (Zoff Serial No.001)	...	1987	Crack Intro
They Stole a Million [german]	...	1987	Crack
Buggy Boy	...	1987	Crack
Dark Lord	...	1987	Crack
Earth Orbit Stations	...	1987	Crack
Echelon	...	1987	Crack
Gunsmoke	...	1987	Crack (Import)
Gunsmoke	...	1987	Crack
Hybrid	...	1987	Crack
Project Stealth Fighter	...	1987	Crack
Road to Moscow	...	1987	Crack
Roadwar Europa	...	1987	Crack
Russia	...	1987	Crack
Shadow Skimmer Music	...	1987	Music
Tape Cracker V1.0	...	1987	Tool
Test Drive	...	1987	Crack
Thunder Bolt	...	1987	Crack
Thunder Bolt [ntsc]	...	1987	Crack (Import)
Tunnel Vision	...	1987	Crack
Alleykat	...	???	Crack
Amnesia	...	???	Crack
G.U.T.Z. +	...	???	Crack
Gee Bee Air Rally	...	???	Crack (NTSC only, Import)
Hat Trick	...	???	Crack
Metropolis +	...	???	Crack (Import)
Mini Golf	...	???	Crack (Import)
Panther	...	???	Crack
Phantasie III: The Wrath of Nikademus	...	???	Crack
Power at Sea	...	???	Crack (Onesided)
Rack 'em	...	???	Crack
Rainbow-Writer V2	...	???	Tool
SOS - The Game with no Name	...	???	Crack (Import)
Superstar Soccer	...	???	Crack
The Shadows of Mordor Pic	...	???	Graphics
Zoom!	...	???	Crack (Import)

User Comment
Submitted by JF2071 on 30 November 2007

@Alien:
Mmhh... what does it have to do with The Movers?
Lame BCS-recracks faked by The Movers? Ah, just kidding, or? Bring us the original cracks. Come along with them on Radwar 2008 and prove it live!
And please refer to speak about BCS on an BCS topic, not even here... Stay calm, stay fair and respect the facts!

User Comment
Submitted by baxxx on 29 November 2007

Alien. I am very well, thanks for your solicitousness and talkativeness.

It is fine to see that you can respond to well-defined proof of facts with crude concealment of reasonable negotiation.

To drain the cup to the dregs: One can get really amused by your sweet oneliners. Like you would not have time to correct your details on CSDb, although you still got enough time to lock all the entries in direct coherence with Plutonium Crackers/Antitrax/Whatever. And to chamfer it you can even find the time to spread all this nonsense about the 1982 intro and how famous you were back then. What's so hard to react on the details I posted into CSDb.. You should have all the technical details so they should dwarfed in.. eh.. 5 secs!?

Although I can only explain it with plain nescience you are countersigning the truth of several of my expressions with your own conduct. And I can assure you the only one who is "seeking for attention" is you. Although I would talk about avertence.

So let me devise the question everybody likes to read your answer on: Is the BCS intro STILL the first intro (programmed in 1982)? You have got two simple choices: YES or NO.

User Comment
Submitted by ALiEN-AnTiTraX on 29 November 2007

Get well soon.

User Comment
Submitted by baxxx on 28 November 2007

A deception occurs if the subjective cognition is departing from the objective. Deceptions are mental traps; the term is an allusion to the subject of optical illusions. Deceptions can be the direct result of manipulatory techniques.

Thanks for giving me a direct trial session of your techniques. You failed in finding an effective way to
make them work.

Facts remain:

The BCS intro contains code from Paint Magic and can't be released in 1982
(Check Paint Magic at $81c6 and your intro at $094d)

Monster Smash released by BCS -> Recrack of the Antiprotect version

Pitfall II released by BCS -> Recrack of the OTD/Jedi Version
(Check $0812 - JEDIs depack routine)

River Raid released by BCS -> Recrack of the Antiprotect version
(Just changed sysline)

Poster Paster released by BCS -> Recrack of the NOVA/Crackmen Crew version
(Just changed the sysline and the ingame text)

The Heist released by BCS -> Very undoubtful a recrack of the JEDI release
(check depacker code at $0812 with OTD's version of HERO)

Street Sports Basketball by Antitrax -> Recrack of a XPB release
(Same file length as the provided file M, same packer, same doublepacked entry points)

I am counting 5 recracks under BCS (I stopped counting as there are far more) and one recrack of your other groups. A group
called Antitrax you are often labeling as Amiga demo group which seems to be as untrue
as the labeling of your BCS intro. Or is just another fake release that some weirdo (ME?) produced to place mud on you?

The only clear cracks we can count for BCS are the things which CFB did for BCS and
one sorry version of Fall Guy - which is infact a 1:1 copy of the original, linked
with a textscreen which loads the main file. *Shattered applause*

Therefore I would say NOT understanding RLE packing, doing constant recracking work
justifies every claim of yourself to be a member of the first generation of C64 crackers.

Ok, ok .. I have been ironic...

Real fact is: You were relying on the work of others and present them as your own one. Just
like you did with stealing the work of JEDI and using them to make the BCS name more known for example.

To make a long story short: Who do you think is gonna believe all the stories you
are telling to the scene? Only the young, unexperienced and non-briefed one!

Everybody with some time and an Emulator can load the above mentioned releases and can
compare them bytewise. So get your debugger and explain me all the "fakes" and show me
one of the "real" BCS/PC/Antitrax/Whatever releases from 1982 linked with an intro infront of them.

All you did up to now is to label them as fakes. How comes that many people got them in
their collections and are uploading them to C64 FTPs? Maybe because they were released
a long time ago... Surely not because somebody wants to throw mud at your profile.

People deserve the truth and no cheap public relation work like you are performing with
your interviews and getting people to vote your bear "intro" and the non-existent work
of BCS.

I officially challenge you here AGAIN and now to clear these things up. I guess as a person with
spirit and knowledge from the old scene and having been member of the above mentioned groups
you can clear all these things up, so I can be proven wrong.

Otherwise accept the facts and stop setting up deceptions. And stop telling that so many
old people know you. That's bollocks! I had the opportunity to hear the words of some of the
first generation crackers (MAM/GCS and Antirom).. And I am able to forward several textlines
of these persons to punctuate THIS statement. They remember a lot of names, but they don't
remember the name Berlin Cracking Service, nor the name Alien. You want respect? Then start
telling the truth seperated from the deceptions you have produced in all your interviews.

I am still challenging you to upload the *other* Hanse.
The truth is and we both know it.. You can't provide this
*other* Hanse, as it never existed and if it is existed it
is the sheer same example of recracking art we are used to
know from you.

Oh yeah.. Get a life. I have a life and I heard that
argument a dozends of times during the last years, most
often from people who have been proven wrong and who are
running out of technical arguments to backup their lose
words. Too sorry for you that you are fitting into this
category. But there is no other I could fit you in.. Hmm.. Maybe the storyteller (Mr. Grimm).

You are still invited to enter direct communication...

User Comment
Submitted by ALiEN-AnTiTraX on 28 November 2007

Sorry to spoil your "serious recrack research", but as tlr said this is no PC release.
Don't mind me! Gyruss

Wow, the year in this late fun version (greeting ourselves) of an old intro could be 1986 here: Plutonium Intro Great find, respect ;)

Hanse:
Sorry to spoil your serious research again, but we are not speaking of the same game here.

I suppose it's just a few of your comments that I detected after a quick look and I did it only because your "So you can pm me anytime on this matter and search the direct communication with me." used by a spammer hiding behind a fakehandle and competing for public attention only made my day.

I have better things to do than to check all the stuff that is labelled with one of our old groups, so it's good to have you for that. Can't believe I've just spent my coffeebreak on a serious researcher. :) Besides that, all is said in the initial post here, I'm still not going to give any personal data about people to Skylab.
Get a life!

User Comment
Submitted by baxxx on 27 November 2007

Sorry Alien. Today it is the first time I am reading this nonsense. I thought a
long time before I decided to react on this as you seem to be so kind to ignore
me and calling me a weirdo infront of your Pouet friends, who only wants to "put
mud on you".

First of all.. If you want to react on me, my nick is baxxx. Did you actually
see me in the Movers memberlist? So how and when did the Movers have proven
that H.E.R.O. / BCS version is a recrack of the JEDI version!? It was me... So
you can directly communicate with me. And please don't associate me with the Movers,
not that I don't respect them.. I respect them a lot.. But I am no Movers member
or associated with them in any matter.

So you can pm me anytime on this matter and search the direct communication with
me.

So back to the topic. Here is a little snippet from the Marauder disk collection
posted in the Movers treasure chest subject on CSDb

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------- MRD_Rescue_Box2-3_Disk0140.D64 -----------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0 "MARAUDER OF GSS!" -GSS-
153 "GROG' REVENGE" PRG
0 "----------------" PRG
123 "NINJA/CON" PRG
0 "----------------" PRG
186 "WHO DARES WINS 2" PRG
0 "----------------" PRG
105 "H.E.R.O." PRG
0 "----------------" PRG
1 "STATISTICS" PRG
96 BLOCKS FREE.

This certain disk proves that this Hero version actually went through the scene
when BCS/PC/Antitrax was around. So and now you can claim that people run around
and produce fake cracks to harm the good name BCS.

Naming the release of Lord Vader as BCS release is a bad joke, as it isn't tagged with BCS in any way.

It only proves that Lord Vader cracked it, yeah.. But if you refer to him as BCS member it clearly proves that he joined
BCS after this release. Concerning the cracking skills we could take the BCS Fall Guy release
which is more or less a direct copy of the original with an unpacked 202 blks file getting
loaded by the kernel loader. Not that I am missing respect, but when again Fall Guy was released?

RLE Encoding.. Anyone!?

Like I posted in various threads now: The only reason for me to "stalk" your former groups is
to check the fairy tale you have spread in the entire scene.. Right, the 1982 intro of Berlin
Cracking Service. I have proven you wrong. This story is nonsense. As you can see for yourself
it contains code from Paint Magic. I mean when was Paint Magic released!? Or did Mr. Reilly steal
the code from you because Berlin Cracking Service was somekind of so advanced, that he needed to
adopt it? Did you pixel this picture in your machine monitor!?

I hate to repeat myself.. Check the JEDI version of Paint Magic at $81c6 with your 1982 intro
at $094d

Not that this question is of any importance for 2007. But your claims and manipulatory way of
ignoring all doubts on the real year this socalled legendary intro got released are a shame for the
entire scene, just like the story itself. I mean do you really think someone buys it?

You are talking about how many people you know from the first generation of crackers... The only
problem is that they seem to don't know you as much as you claim they don't know Skylab, but know
General Zoff and the Movers. (What a contradiction in perfection!)

And this is the problem with your many stories, they are sheer words and contradictions.

Another good example is this release:

Plutonium Intro

This entry is locked by you and clearly shows that the credit for this is the year 1984. A quick
check shows even Peewee Herman that this thing is including greetings to Dynamic Duo, Morx and
other people who simply weren't around at that time.

I could expect a little bit more veraciousness in your way of working. As far as I can explain
it your Bitfellas platform is a valuable source. But this confronts with the dozends of wrong
stories you are telling around and people start to believe.

Last thing: I officially challenge you to upload this release, which is your entry...

Hanse [german] which is Hanse release by Plutonium Crackers in 1982

Actually this Ariolasoft game was published in 1986. So you have got enough room to backup some of your words.

Until then...

User Comment
Submitted by ALiEN-AnTiTraX on 25 November 2007

Skylab:
Plutonium Crackers/Antitrax profile:
All fine here as it's not different groups, no need to split anything. Thanks for worrying.

Skylab, JF2071/-ND!, baxxx:
Berlin Cracking Service crack of H.E.R.O.:

It is quite obvious that no BCS member did this one or other the fake-files I saw in here.
Did you have a look at the startline "2612 SYS2066 OTD" (OTD=Oliver Thomas Dietz/JEDI) of this cheap unskilled fake ? :)
At this point, projections based on the data of CSDb are worse than useless.
Our version of H.E.R.O. was labeled "Lord Vader". H.E.R.O. and oldschool people know. Why recrack it later? :)

Skylab:
You still continue to keep on stalking my old labels just because I repeatedly refuse to reveal personal data of oldschool people who don't want their real names, jobs and phone numbers spread or shown in the public? You must have respect for these people's privacy, PERIOD.

Can't you get the message that there are people out there who really are not interested in having the term "cracker" beside their real names when their boss or business associates looks them up on Google?

The people from the early C64 period I know, don't know you, never swapped with you, and are not interested in supporting your inquiries for any book or whatever.
Most of these people do know and respect General Zoff and The Movers. For me the historic preservation of the scene is an important component, but not at any cost.

One day you'll have a lot of data about the c64 oldschool scene. A lot of data is worth nothing without the spirit, because some things in life are a matter of style, like not to selfvote your own groups. These are the unwritten rules of the scene, which seperates the lame from the elite etc. If you have and show no respect, then you're nothing and will gain nothing in return, ever.

Don't ask, don't tell.

If you were there you would know this, and it wouldn't have to be explained at all.

Cheers
ALiEN

User Comment
Submitted by AMI on 4 September 2007

Jesus Chris, the Guys cracked like Hell =))) respect

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