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First Demo
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Submitted by steven_k on 9 June 2019
| Yes have seen that demo after was writing the post, great demo indeed and vector is a definitely a must list here as well! Thanks for RN info. Looking forward for more vector work from you on c64 :-) |
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Submitted by Axis/Oxyron on 25 February 2019
Very nice firstie. I´m a sucker for non-convex filled vectors!
Another one worth to watch is inside:
Incoherent Nightmare
The vectors in Radio Napaln are precalculated and prepared in a way that no inconvex/overlapping shapes need to be filled. So it´s basically the same eor-fill used as in all convex vector parts. |
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Submitted by Golara on 29 January 2019
| Oswald, well you might be right about that one effect. But what's else in the demo ? Quite slow 8x8 plasma (because loop instead of speedcode, i get that). "Cyber vectors" were done by Camelot and Samar in 50FPS. Steven_K knows what to do to make it better so we'll see better stuff for from him for sure. |
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Submitted by steven_k on 29 January 2019
would be not fair not to mention some things about those vectors. rotations and walls sortings are not done in realtime. I did that in the past unfortunately noone apart from me had seen them :) drawing routine could be optimized though. unrolled loop for vertical line drawing and using 4 vertices faces in place of 3, which also would have other benefits than speed only. Next step in optimization, but more for realtime version probably could be using disk drive processor for some of the calculations like in Elysium's Realtime intro, so there is a lot of the room for improvement for sure:)
I still wonder how that huge 'complex' vector was done in the beginning of Radio Napalm by Reflex, must have been some nasty filling routine :)
Two of the must see of the 'complex' vectors:
Realtime Intro
Coma Light 11
I don't know about more but would love to hear if you guys have more of the examples! |
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Submitted by Dr.Science on 29 January 2019
| Very nice first demo and I hope we will see more from you! |
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Submitted by Oswald on 29 January 2019
| Golara, its very hard to do fast and nice 3d, this is my 2nd or 3rd try at it: https://csdb.dk/release/?id=48383, inconvex filled shapes at 10fps != he doesnt know how to optimize for c64, its you not knowing its bloody hard :) |
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Submitted by Golara on 29 January 2019
| Nope, I don't know this kind of math. But we all seen similar routines done much faster. I don't get your reaction, I'm not dissing him or his work... My guess is that he's quite knowledgeable but maybe doesn't know how to optimize for the C64 screen. Just my guess, didn't look into the code |
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Submitted by Oswald on 29 January 2019
| Golara, could you show some better 3d routines from your own expertise ? |
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Submitted by Jammer on 29 January 2019
| @Golara: IIRC in those golden years of ugly math demos hardly anyone used fixed framerate. You just calculate things in main loop and switch to other screen buffer when it's done. Pretty standard I'd say :) |
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Submitted by Golara on 29 January 2019
| Looks great in warp mode :P Pretty cool effects, too bad they are awfully slow. My guess is that you know your math very well but you don't know how to optimize for C64, with it's weird and totally not linear framebuffer. If you work on that I'm sure you can do much cooler effects. Good luck ! |
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Submitted by Didi on 29 January 2019
| Quite impressive for a first attempt. I admit that I used Alt+W a lot, so I have to agree that some effects were shown way too long. But I guess with some "professional" advice the next one will be much more balanced and maybe pimped with some nice graphics. |
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Submitted by steven_k on 29 January 2019
| Guys, thank you for all your comments! Was a lot of fun in making this little attempt and i am very happy to see such a positive feedback:) This for sure can give energy for future work towards better results!! |
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Submitted by Cruzer on 28 January 2019
| Convincing debut! Next you might wanna learn about loop unrolling. :) |
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Submitted by Slator on 28 January 2019
thumbs up! really nice stuff for a first demo, some things, like the vectors people even dont dare to do in their 20th demo :D
keep them comming and welcome to c64 :D |
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Submitted by xIII on 28 January 2019
Nice debut.
Smooth demo... in Vice ... Warp Speed... |
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Submitted by Mixer on 28 January 2019
| Filled vectors - always good choice for the first demo. |
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Submitted by Joe on 28 January 2019
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Submitted by Jammer on 28 January 2019
| Actually it's pretty refreshing to see a bit fugly 90s inspired production with dose of quite good math in 2019. I did like filled vectors :) Welcome! |
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Submitted by Oswald on 28 January 2019
| feels like what I would've coded 22 years ago, the inconvex vectors are super nice. |
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Submitted by Yazoo on 28 January 2019
| not bad. yes, a bit slow paced - and i do miss some eyecandy (graphics, screen layouting etc.)... but it's an awesome release as a firstie! and alt+w in vice helps here and there :-) keep it up, and welcome! |
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Submitted by chatGPZ on 28 January 2019
| a bit slow on the pace, and effects run a bit long... great debut nonetheless. |
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Submitted by Rudi on 28 January 2019
| Nice, I like the part with the filled vectors. The repeated music is annoying though. But I wonder how it is possible to make a slower line routine (ref. the rotating wireframe cubes part) than a filled one. |
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Submitted by Isildur on 28 January 2019
| Very long effects but overall nice demo. |
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