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That Demo with the New Hubbard Tune   [2014]

That Demo with the New Hubbard Tune Released by :
Genesis Project [web]

Release Date :
18 January 2014

Type :
C64 One-File Demo


User rating:*********_  8.9/10 (42 votes)   See votestatistics
**********  9.5/10 (16 votes) - Public votes only.

Credits :
Code .... H Macaroni of Genesis Project, Goin' Sideways
Music .... Max of Flat 3 Hackers
  Rob Hubbard
Graphics .... redcrab of Genesis Project, Goin' Sideways
Charset .... redcrab of Genesis Project, Goin' Sideways

SIDs used in this release :
New Frontier(/MUSICIANS/M/Max_F3H/New_Frontier.sid)

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User Comment
Submitted by F7sus4 on 12 February 2014
Akira, I'm afraid you have missed my comment posted few weeks before yours. :-)
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Submitted by jailbird on 31 January 2014
Quoting AKiRa
I guess I am the only one thinking this tune isn't good at all.

Nop, you're not. I guess his name showing up somewhere leads to cognitive bias. If this was That Demo with the New Potato Pete Tune, I doubt it would be praised so much, if at all.
The visuals are indeed great.
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Submitted by Akira on 31 January 2014
I guess I am the only one thinking this tune isn't good at all.
Seriously, can we have less Hubbard fanboyism and more neutral, objective views? "Best SID tune ever"? Really??

I really liked the graphics though, big ups to the G*P crew.
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Submitted by Bob on 30 January 2014
This is sooooo fucking awesome !!
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Submitted by ne7 on 25 January 2014
ace music and lovely to see rob making a new sid tune :O)
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Submitted by Max on 25 January 2014
Is great to read all you comments, both positive and constructive. I agree it would be great if Rob programmed a new SID using the techniques and source code he used originally, alas that ain't possible as all that, is lost in the midst of time. You right though is heart warming he composing again, albeit most of it now is productions for the film soundtrack (which sounds great BTW)
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Submitted by Conrad on 25 January 2014
Sorry dink, I don't agree and agree with Mixer. This is not the best tune ever made. First of all, Rob Hubbard didn't actually write the tune directly on Sid Wizard, Max Hall did. and not forget, Rob hasn't made music on the C64 for 25+ years. Although it's heart-warming that he's back and taking interest in the SID again, he still needs to work a lot harder to get to a level of quality that I've never experienced before, on the SID chip that is.

Nothing personal against Rob or Max, you two have made a great effort to actually make SID music again (like I stated in the previous comment)... but the truth is ugly and I've personally had it with all the name-voting crap that constantly goes on here.
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Submitted by Mixer on 25 January 2014
This one has too much hype on it. Not my cup of tea, as they say.

Still, looking forward to hearing a new one from Mr Hubbard done all by himself.
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Submitted by dink on 25 January 2014
The best SID-tune I've heard in years, welcome back, Rob! :)
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Submitted by Stinsen on 23 January 2014
Enjoyable presentation indeed! The tune is not quite up to Hubbard standards i.e. Knucklebusters, Lightforce, One man and his droid and so on for me though. :)
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Submitted by Martinland on 23 January 2014
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Submitted by Count Zero on 22 January 2014
What MagerValp said - somewhat clinic :)

Cool package.
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Submitted by v3to on 21 January 2014
okay, i am nostalgic here, but this is awesome. thanks guys. all of you.
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Submitted by TheRyk on 20 January 2014
I was wondering why Max didn't put in the .ZIP at the first place ;)
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Submitted by chatGPZ on 20 January 2014
didnt ian post the .sid on irc weeks ago? i was wondering already why it takes so long for it to appear in some release :=)
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Submitted by TheRyk on 20 January 2014
If you are really too lazy to rip it yourself, you find it here =P

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Submitted by Rastah Bar on 20 January 2014
HVSC or it didn't happen ;-)
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Submitted by Slimex on 20 January 2014
My cup of tea, the robbardism is strong on this one. If Hubbard had made this SID-version himself, it propably would've rocked more. Excellent stuff.
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Submitted by Rough on 20 January 2014
Interesting txt link, Algorithm, thanks for that one.
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Submitted by MagerValp on 20 January 2014
The Hubbard is strong with this one! My only complaint would be that the bass and drums are almost *too* clean compared to classic Hubbard. Progress isn't always good :)

Mac & Crab, awesome as always.

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Submitted by F7sus4 on 20 January 2014
Legendary author, average tune.
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Submitted by algorithm on 20 January 2014
Hopefully this will inspire rob to continue and start making SID tunes again. It was mentioned that he had lost the source code and drivers, However there are documented disassemblys of some of his drivers at the below link

As well as a hacked editor using his playroutine as well.
The Robb Hubbard Music Editor V1.5

And some other disassembled source code for his later drivers. Perhaps he may be able to use these as a start?
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Submitted by Hermit on 20 January 2014
Wow! \o/
The well known Rob Hubbard style is really felt through the bassline-movement.
I'm honored that my tool was chosen for the C64 'implementation', thanks Max Hall and Rob and all men involved.
It would be really good to see more Hubbard tunes in the future. I'm listening this one and the more I listen to it the more I like its mood.
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Submitted by Conrad on 20 January 2014
Nice one ya old legends! :) Good to see Mr. Hubbard taking a great interest in the breadbox again!

Nice graphics as well!
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Submitted by Marq on 20 January 2014
Nice to see Hubbard back on the C64. Sounds quite polished and smooth compared to his old tunes that used to be pretty rough.
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Submitted by spider-j on 20 January 2014
Very good tune. Although I expected a few crazy instruments for a Hubbard tune =)
Giving the swm to Hermit for next SW version as 'demo-song' would be great too! (at least if Hermit also wants that)
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Submitted by Magnar on 20 January 2014
Rob, Max; Wonderful composition. Good arrangements of the leads, and nice use of the kickdrum and filters on the bassline. The vibrations and slides on the leads truely reminds me on old Rob Hubbard songs from the past, something I think no other musician today would dare to do in their songs. No arpeggios, no snare, just straight melodies with the bassline and kick underlaying. It is rare, bare, naked and rough; it fits, and it sounds great! Truely a SID master worthy his comeback! Would love to hear more new arrangements and melodies from both of you. Cheers Magnar
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Submitted by Hammerfist on 20 January 2014
Cool to hear from Rob again. Very nice work from everyone! I may be looking for a signature in the tune, but I feel his music was always telling a story, instead of accompanying one. Like more music from that time. And from now, again, thankfully :D Let's hope this won't be the last!
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Submitted by lemming on 19 January 2014
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Submitted by Sledge on 19 January 2014
This so cool. The tune is awesome and the demo is overall very well designed. Thanks a lot! I'll hope we'll see more from Rob in the future!
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Submitted by Dr.j on 19 January 2014
Thanks very Much Max Hall for giving to all Sidchip lovers a rare opportunity to enjoy Rob's music. i like the tune , i like the fact Rob such a legendary musician which highly appreciated by anyone in the scene (and of course being loved and greatly valued) is release a sid after so many years. thanks also for G*P for nice little sweet release
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Submitted by Archmage on 19 January 2014
Cool! I feel the Hubbard-signature is in there somewhere. Nice tuna indeedio! And of course great graphics by Redcrab. Heia GP!
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Submitted by Rough on 19 January 2014
It's definately time for a knightly accolade by Queen Elizabeth II.
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Submitted by G-Fellow on 19 January 2014
A dream comes true that Rob Hubbard is back!!! You, Rob Hubbard are the reason for me to start composing...
I hope that Rob get now hungry to do full 100% own tunes on C64 again. When I say full 100% own tunes, than I mean that Rob
is sitting alone in a room and typing in a C64 music-editor of his choice alone all notes and everything else. Than the new tunes could
be released by a C64 demo group of Rob Hubbard choice. Every group would code and paint something for you Rob Hubbard.

You Sir Rob Hubbard, have a big fanbase here on C64, you are a legend, do not disappoint us, let us not wait again decades for a new tune!
This goes also to every other legend on C64, I tell you MAKE A COMEBACK before we all dead !!!
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Submitted by chatGPZ on 19 January 2014
it says my c64 is NTSC sometimes.... i never knew! =D
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Submitted by Sounx on 18 January 2014
Very nice tune and very, very VERY nice that it's from Rob himself! Thanks to the guys from GP that made this possible.
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Submitted by Photon on 18 January 2014
Nice piccy, music was a bit meh.
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Submitted by celticdesign on 18 January 2014
Indeed very nice music. i am curious how it would sound if it would have been produced by Jammer, Drax or Linus ;-)
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Submitted by xIII on 18 January 2014
Who's Rob Hubbard ?
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Submitted by hedning on 18 January 2014
sidwave: It's a fli actually. :)
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Submitted by SIDWAVE on 18 January 2014
guys, beware because it means that hubbard is learning sid wizard, we can only hope he will try alone.... i am influecing him since years.. :) but i dont know. rob already said "will never happen" , and "making sids is like playing piano with boxing gloves on" :) which is correct :) hahah.

i love the pic, the gfx guys in GP are excellent!!!!! super to get a modern rob koala!!!!!
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Submitted by Yogibear on 18 January 2014
Nice production!
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Submitted by Burglar on 18 January 2014
\o/ Rob is Back! \o/

such an excellent tune, building and building towards multiple climaxes. super it's not just a short ditty, but a truly full length composition.

presentation is also cool and funny, I can only imagine how this would work as the soundtrack of a top demo.

this only leaves me wanting more! :P
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Submitted by PAL on 18 January 2014
I do not know how much you listen to c64 music but i think you should listen to Jan`s Journey to the Center of the Universe tune, Journey to the Center of the Universe , just because i know you will think it is another tune that you will like very much maybe! This tune you have made in a way made me think of Jans fab tune!
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Submitted by PAL on 18 January 2014
and you sitting there playing is so incredible nicely done by crab of all crabbbbbs
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Submitted by PAL on 18 January 2014
LAMERS - ROB sitting down making a tune with another person as his input into this weird machine is a full comback to me. Djezuz, dudes, come on this is really cool... and almost no one commented on the music by the way?!?!?!? You are all so weird and odd... Rob Hubbard, you have created composed a fantastic music and i thing hall made it good into the sid chip for you, lack a bit of your special touch in one way but it also hold something new from you to me... I have had this music on loop for some time now and it will be on more, I LOVE IT! It is one tune one can sing along to, it hold both hard sound and some floating lead and it make me dream of beein in space and just moving fast towards something ahead, it drives me somewhere, it is a story here, what is the true story of this tune Rob? Where are you traveling? I also love the fact that sometimes in the melody i think you will go all out but then you hold back and then hold back again and even one more time but then you put the pedal to the max and we are with you out in space again.... Thanx for this piece of magical music to me, some day you should make another one, it is a lot of fans of you here and you are one of the special ones and one that made us start out with this in the first place, you are a legendary c64 music composer that had huge impact on a whole world of young men and wimen in our world, you are something really special, thanx for making a new tune, it sound magical!
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Submitted by ALIEN on 18 January 2014
Yesss...! =)
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Submitted by Sixteen Plus on 18 January 2014
A very nice semi comeback. I've given it an honest 8/10.

I read from Max Hall here that Rob has lost his source codes and assemblers so helped personally to direct this SID release which I consider to be the next best thing. So if he can find time to create himself a new assembler then he should get back into the C64 for a fun hobby side project. Lots of Psytronik releases need his tunes and he has enough kudos for it to be all worthwhile.

A fuller comeback would be something special :)
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Submitted by Rough on 18 January 2014
This Rules! Rob must be back full time.
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Submitted by Scarzix on 18 January 2014
Thanks for confirming this Max, still I think both this production (the graphics) and the tune is a great release. So dont take my first comment as negative. wanted to add this in it, but comment editing seems to be disabled on CSDb.
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Submitted by Max on 18 January 2014
Rob wrote the music, and was sat next to me when we did the SID version, so is by myself and Rob hubbard. Hope that clarifies the point. Rob obviously has not got his source code and assemblers etc, so needed help in making the SID.
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Submitted by iAN CooG on 18 January 2014
exactly what Scarzix said, Maxhall IS the author of the sid version, hence credit for music goes to him. Hubbard shouldn't even be credited, like every other sid covered tune we don't credit JMJarre or Sylvester Levay, right?
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Submitted by The Gothicman on 18 January 2014
Haha! Uebercool!

Thumbs up!!! :=)
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Submitted by Scarzix on 18 January 2014
Correction: Max Hall made the SID version. Rob made the original and they agreed that Max would do the SID version with advices from Rob.
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