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Love   [1995]

Love Released by :
Agony Design

Release Date :
12 July 1995

Type :
C64 Demo

Released At :
P.U.K.E. 4x4 1995

Achievements :
C64 Demo Competition at P.U.K.E. 4x4 1995 :  #1

User rating:********__  8.4/10 (17 votes)   See votestatistics

Credits :
Code .... Druid of Agony Design, Amorphis, Bad Bytes, Fantastic 4 Cracking Group
  Inco of Agony Design
Music .... Shogoon of Agony Design, Taboo
Graphics .... Astaroth of Agony Design
  Comanche of Agony Design
  Digger of Agony Design, Atlantic
  jetan of Agony Design, AI-supported Machine, Albion Crew
  Roder of Agony Design
  Skyle of Agony Design
  Sliver of SHAPE, Success + The Ruling Company
Design .... Druid of Agony Design, Amorphis, Bad Bytes, Fantastic 4 Cracking Group
Loader .... K.M. of Taboo

SIDs used in this release :
Griffin Score(/MUSICIANS/S/Shogoon/Griffin_Score.sid)
Love (tune 2)(/MUSICIANS/S/Shogoon/Love_tune_2.sid)
Love (tune 3)(/MUSICIANS/S/Shogoon/Love_tune_3.sid)
Love (tune 5)(/MUSICIANS/S/Shogoon/Love_tune_5.sid)
Muminki Rooooolz(/MUSICIANS/S/Shogoon/Muminki_Rooooolz.sid)

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User Comment
Submitted by chatGPZ on 27 October 2022
Yes, because eg Denise shares a lot of code with VICE (or at least is in some parts heavily inspired by the code in VICE) it has the same problem (and likely needs the same fix).
User Comment
Submitted by KAL_123 on 27 October 2022
Nice, that it could be fixed in VICE. By the way, VICE was not the only emulator, where the disc-change of this demo made a problem. So at first, I suspected that it must somehow be the demo itself.
User Comment
Submitted by chatGPZ on 27 October 2022
... and fixed in r42562 :)

For the curious: the bug was always there, the change in r26551 exposed it. Why the windows build actually broke this Demo only ~2000 commits after that remains a mystery that someone else may solve :)

Cheers (thx to everyone involved)
User Comment
Submitted by tlr on 27 October 2022
This is actually more confusing than you thought :)

Try this in vice:
.C:c000  78          SEI
.C:c001  A9 00       LDA #$00
.C:c003  8D 03 DC    STA $DC03
.C:c006  A9 02       LDA #$02
.C:c008  8D 0E DC    STA $DC0E
.C:c00b  8D 0F DC    STA $DC0F
.C:c00e  A9 FF       LDA #$FF
.C:c010  8D 01 DC    STA $DC01
.C:c013  AD 01 DC    LDA $DC01
.C:c016  8D 00 04    STA $0400
.C:c019  A9 00       LDA #$00
.C:c01b  8D 0E DC    STA $DC0E
.C:c01e  8D 0F DC    STA $DC0F
.C:c021  AD 01 DC    LDA $DC01
.C:c024  8D 01 04    STA $0401
.C:c027  4C 27 C0    JMP $C027
The reason it fails is related to bit 1 of $dc0e and $dc0f which control if TA and/or TB respectively will control bits PB6 and PB7. There seems to be an internal state in the CIA emulation that isn't correctly updated when disabling the bits in $dc0e and $dc0f controlling this behaviour.
User Comment
Submitted by chatGPZ on 26 October 2022
Oh! Yes indeed! Doesn't explain what we are observing though ^_^
User Comment
Submitted by iAN CooG on 26 October 2022
Maybe the order is wrong, it should be: first set dc02/3 to declare dc00 in input and dc01 in output, THEN set dc00 to 7f.

LDA #$00
LDA #$7F
User Comment
Submitted by chatGPZ on 26 October 2022
Broke between 2.4.10-r28787 and r28792 (so not really a "recent" bug at all =D) - which doesn't make sense at all, there are only trivial non related code changes between the two. WTF?
User Comment
Submitted by Trurl on 26 October 2022
Downloaded and tested. Works on breadbox+1541-II, no cart. Vice 3.6.1 doesn't proceed from Flip disc -part.
User Comment
Submitted by Wile Coyote on 26 October 2022
Not watched Love for years.
The 4x4 3D landscape looks rather good, as does the IFLI by Roder
The high speed music fits well.

I downloaded:

It gets as far as the Flip Disk part and fails to go further.
User Comment
Submitted by chatGPZ on 26 October 2022
It's a bog standard from the book "space" check - i can't see how this would not work *shrug*
.C:443b  A9 7F       LDA #$7F
.C:443d  8D 00 DC    STA $DC00
.C:4440  A9 FF       LDA #$FF
.C:4442  8D 02 DC    STA $DC02
.C:4445  A9 00       LDA #$00
.C:4447  8D 03 DC    STA $DC03
.C:444a  A9 01       LDA #$01
.C:444c  8D 0E DC    STA $DC0E
.C:444f  A9 08       LDA #$08
.C:4451  8D 0F DC    STA $DC0F
.C:4454  AD 01 DC    LDA $DC01
.C:4457  C9 EF       CMP #$EF
.C:4459  D0 F9       BNE $4454
.C:445b  4C AB 46    JMP $46AB
User Comment
Submitted by iAN CooG on 26 October 2022
update: Hoxs64 V1.1.1.2 senses the space normally. It's probably just a recent emulation problem in Vice.
If in all these years nobody reported a problem either on real HW or in older version of Vice, there must be something changed in the meantime that cause the problem.
Let's wait for someone testing on real HW.
User Comment
Submitted by iAN CooG on 26 October 2022
Not here, any fix is a newer and different release, and besides not released the same day as this, so a new entry should be made for it.
User Comment
Submitted by KAL_123 on 26 October 2022
@iAN CooG thanks, interesting info. What you think, should a fixed version, that doesn't require JiffyDOS, be attached too?
User Comment
Submitted by iAN CooG on 26 October 2022
Apparently with normal kernal, the state of $dc00/$dc03 registers is badly set so pressing space doesn't react as it should.
enter Vice monitor and issue
> dc02 ff 00
and it should sense space now.
With Jiffydos rom works normally, space reacts correctly.
Tested with both Vice 3.6.1 x64sc.exe and Vice 3.2 x64.exe
User Comment
Submitted by KAL_123 on 26 October 2022
Some minutes ago, i tried to watch this demo for the first time. But strangely, after the "flip disc" screen, it doesn't go any further. At least not in all emulators, i tried it so far. Does anyone know, what key to press (tried different ones without success) or what else to do, in that flip-disc screen, that side-2 of the demo starts loading? I guess, the d64-images are okay, otherwise the problem would certainly have been reported before. Also tried files from different links here, but always the same problem with side-2.
User Comment
Submitted by Sith on 29 November 2014
Some nice effects, graphics and music in there. I love the big font too. Very decent demo for its day.
User Comment
Submitted by Jak T Rip on 16 May 2010
Hey Druid!

That's good to hear. Thanks for not having lost intrerest, it would be a shame!!

I always loved the style of your demos, dentros and other productions. Let the square live on!
User Comment
Submitted by Isildur on 31 October 2009
So, what's up with FEAR and HATE?
User Comment
Submitted by Druid on 17 November 2004
Hi guys,

We are still here :) You are talking about our flag release - Love. Cool to see some guys that still remember us. Anyway the idea of 'Love' was to make a series of demos:
- Love : light style, nice music, some nice pictures, design and effetcs. I assume we made it.
- Pain : less light demo than love with some pain it it. Due to various reasons we've released Pain before Love in a hurry as a dentro but i think there is still some Pain inside :)
- Hate : this production is planned to be totally different from Love - dark style, dark music, dark feelings. We still plan to make it sooner or later
- Fear : something like Pain - a bridge between Love and Hate.
The style of the demos was planned to change as sometimes in real life:
love-fear-pain-hate ( ;) )
And naming Love as Love did not mean that we had to put some kiss me pictures inside or pink border all the time :)

Anyway, we are still active - focused on www.intros.c64.org and our website besides our real lifes.
User Comment
Submitted by HCL on 17 November 2004
:D, i just love that kind of comment! Oswald/Wrath 1-0 ;). Besides i also like the demo, agony seems to be a group i have missed out till now.
User Comment
Submitted by Oxidy on 16 November 2004
Oswald: Ha. Ha. Ha.
User Comment
Submitted by Oswald on 16 November 2004
nah, you're like the wrath guys reviewing demos and asking questions: hmm the makers wanted to express their feelings against feminism with the orange borders, or its there just to contrast the deep depression caused by the killing of rainforests...

you expect things that is just not there, and never was intended to be there.
User Comment
Submitted by jailbird on 16 November 2004
The word "love" and deeper meaning? Aw, come on... Actually, the title is awfully trivial however we look on it.

Personally I wouldn't care even if it was called "Miss World '92 grows a moustache and decides to forget her female identity". At the very point when I typed "RUN" and the demo started to go wild on my screen I was expecting something different - yes, according to the title, which seemed to me standing out from the crowd just by not beeing another "XYZ Megademo", "Two Years XYZ", or "XYZ Power". Mea culpa, I was expecting too much, please forgive me.
User Comment
Submitted by drake on 16 November 2004
this demo was a fine reason to me getting my first commodore 8-)
User Comment
Submitted by Ninja on 15 November 2004
Now, this section is called 'Your review/comment'. And I was disapointed when i first watched it in the late 90s, couldn't help it. :)
User Comment
Submitted by Oxbow on 15 November 2004
now you can't blame a demo for having a 'deeper meaning' title
and 'no deeper meaning' parts, now can you??

besides, maybe it was meant this way! to make you think of
everything that _seems_ at first sight to have a deeper meaning
but, on closer examination, hasn't..
User Comment
Submitted by Oswald on 15 November 2004
oldskool babling :) you should view this demo in the context it was born into, and back then it was absolutely not important to have the demo named after whats inside.
User Comment
Submitted by Ninja on 15 November 2004
It would have been a cool demo if it was named something like "Gnarf" or so. But I think it needs a lot more to call a demo "Love". So, this demo left me disappointed, although it is quite good.
User Comment
Submitted by jailbird on 8 November 2004
Quite fine demo, but somehow frazzled.
According to the title, I was expecting a different kind of demo, so it was quite dissapointing to realise that apart from the title, actually it has nothing to do with 'love'.
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