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fieserWolF
Registered: May 2003
Posts: 3 |
csdb browsing feature: similar productions
Just an idea: wouldn't it be awesome if we had some kind of "you might also like"-feature when looking at an entry on csdb? Don't know how to implement it, but browsing csdb through similar prods would be hours of fun. Don't you think? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855 |
Quoting fieserWolFwouldn't it be awesome if [...] Don't know how to implement it, but Nuff said, i'd say. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855 |
Or maybe not enough, might have come across a little assholey.
But think of commercial platforms with huge userbases. It appears that "similarity" is a pretty subjective concept with artistic works like movies or music, and even those huge platforms need to rely on human editors once their algorithms quickly reach their limits, despite the aforementioned huge userbases and logged sales, views, or clicks. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5031 |
nice idea, the algo could look for what releases same user looked at close in time. or releases with similar authors, etc. |
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phvse
Registered: Mar 2019
Posts: 2 |
maybe introduce a tagging option when adding new releases, so the 'you might also like' feature could be based on tags.
only problem is that previous releases would have to be tagged retroactively. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5031 |
yeah tags are on the whishlist since like 10-15 years :) problem is Perff is the only one who can change the code, and he mostly lost interest in adding new features, plus its an unmaintainable spaghette from what I gathered. |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 201 |
You want productions by the same coder, musician or graphic artist... it's already there.
You want productions with the same music... thanks to the busy souls putting in HVSC links, that's quite possible, too.
CSDb hardly has enough vote data to implement a "you might also like" feature that goes anywhere beyond the Top XYZ we already have -- we barely have 700 Demos and One-File Demos each that qualify for an above average (>= 7) rating, not to mention that a lot of the newer productions tend to get voted rather high with a lot of older productions struggling to even get the required 5 votes.
But that's not "similar productions", so... what kind of "similarity" would you expect?
Here are another 2573 productions that have: "logo over rasterbars with scroller" ;-) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855 |
Quoting Sevenwhat kind of "similarity" would you expect? Indeed, what kind of computable metric could be used there?
I think it'd be more sensible to have users create something akin to ordered playlists of favourites, which other users could browse.
But then again, CSDb isn't likely to add any more complex features, as it seems that due to some kind of deadlock nobody is willing and/or allowed to sanitise the code. |
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Mr.Ammo
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Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 228 |
Quoting KrillQuoting Sevenwhat kind of "similarity" would you expect? Indeed, what kind of computable metric could be used there The only thing I can think of are votes since that's the only user input CSDb has which shows how well users like or do not like a release.
However, for it to somewhat work, it does require honest and a lot more voting.
A quick count of the votes:
169,659 <- number of releases
11,981 <- number of releases with 5 or more votes
153,261 <- total amount of votes for releases with 5 or more votes
7.49 <- average score of the CSDb scores
-- there are some releases deleted, but I didn't exclude them in these numbers.
Quoting Krill But then again, CSDb isn't likely to add any more complex features, as it seems that due to some kind of deadlock nobody is willing and/or allowed to sanitise the code. Indeed, that seems to be the status quo. |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 422 |
Could use TensorFlow (from Google) and train images from certain graphicians/demos and then use it to match "visually close" releases.
I might be able to make a small PoC. |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 201 |
"Visually close"... look, all these images use close to the same 16 colors ;-D |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855 |
I maintain and repeat that "similarity" is a very subjective concept in the domain of creative productions.
Whatever clustering a machine or a random person will come up with, all the rest will more likely than not agree to disagree. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5031 |
Quote: I maintain and repeat that "similarity" is a very subjective concept in the domain of creative productions.
Whatever clustering a machine or a random person will come up with, all the rest will more likely than not agree to disagree.
thats natural. its not like we agree on how currently everything works. |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 201 |
In movies, books, films etc. we have however loosely defined genres and styles, that can give you a vague idea of what might be "similar"... that probably translates best to music releases, maybe even to pixel graphics, but I have no idea how to group demos into genres. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855 |
Quoting Sevenbut I have no idea how to group demos into genres. Until the turn of the millennium, demos had been lumped into at least two mutually exclusive categories: oldschool and newschool.
Oldschool was heavy on effects in 2-D, 50 FPS, native/high resolution, with an emphasis on VIC trickery, catchy tunes with a lot of treble, and the space bar.
Newschool was heavy on effects in 2.5 to 3-D, < 50 FPS, chunky/low resolution, with an emphasis on math-based complex visuals as seen on more powerful platforms of the day, thumping tunes with a lot of bass, and an IRQ loader.
That line has become somewhat blurrier since then. =) |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 201 |
Quoting KrillUntil the turn of the millennium, demos had been lumped into at least two mutually exclusive categories: oldschool and newschool.
That kinda feels like saying the genres for movies are silent film and sound film. ;-) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855 |
Maybe, but then you can't really compare movies to demos. Also i'd make silent and sound film different platforms, not genres.
The genre of a movie is primarily determined by which story it tells, and how.
Technical merits don't weigh in so much.
For demos, it's pretty much the opposite. And there aren't so many story-driven demos, and then that is not mutually exclusive to being any kind of school. |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 491 |
Quote: maybe introduce a tagging option when adding new releases, so the 'you might also like' feature could be based on tags.
only problem is that previous releases would have to be tagged retroactively.
i'd really like to see those tags.
demo, best, fastest, world first, amazing, realtime, highres, digi, 3d, gpu emulation, pixel guru, amiga like, god level
- isn't it an intro with a static logo and a 1x1 scroller?
- yep.
:) |
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phvse
Registered: Mar 2019
Posts: 2 |
graphics tagging works decently on http://artcity.bitfellas.org
you could apply the same to code and music.
but yes, one would have to post more descriptive/specific tags than that :) |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
Quoting fieserWolFJust an idea: wouldn't it be awesome if we had some kind of "you might also like"-feature when looking at an entry on csdb?
nah
Quote:Don't know how to implement it, but browsing csdb through similar prods would be hours of fun. Don't you think?
I achieve the same results by clicking on sceners names, or groups, or by searching using already available features :)
Quoting Skatei'd really like to see those tags.
you'll be waiting a while. :) |
