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Biba 3   [2012]

Biba 3 Released by :
Arise [web]

Release Date :
28 October 2012

Type :
C64 Demo

AKA :
The Dandelion Trip

Website :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dsZPkcOQjY

Released At :
X'2012

Achievements :
C64 Demo Competition at X'2012 :  #8

User rating:*********_  9.1/10 (65 votes)   See votestatistics
*********_  9.1/10 (35 votes) - Public votes only.

Credits :
Code .... Fenek of Arise
  Luke of Arise
  Wacek of Arise, WST
Music .... Randall of Arise, MultiStyle Labs
  Rodney of Arise
  Wacek of Arise, WST
Graphics .... Bimber of Arise
  Flea of Arise, De-Koder
  Rodney of Arise
  Wacek of Arise, WST
Design .... Bimber of Arise
  Flea of Arise, De-Koder
  Wacek of Arise, WST
Charset .... Bimber of Arise
Linking .... Luke of Arise
  Wacek of Arise, WST
Bug-Fix .... Wacek of Arise, WST
Loader .... Sensei of Arise, Fraction


SIDs used in this release :
C64 Jungle(/MUSICIANS/R/Rodney/C64_Jungle.sid)
Fully Happy Idiots(/MUSICIANS/R/Randall/Fully_Happy_Idiots.sid)
Juvenile Dementia(/MUSICIANS/R/Randall/Juvenile_Dementia.sid)
Nanoplay #1(/MUSICIANS/W/Wacek/Nanoplay_1.sid)
Purple or Silver(/MUSICIANS/R/Randall/Purple_or_Silver.sid)
Social Suicide(/MUSICIANS/R/Randall/Social_Suicide.sid)

Download :
http://csdb.dk/getinternalfile.php/109826/Biba 3 - Arise.zip (downloads: 1295)
ftp://ftp.scs-trc.net/pub/c64/Party/2012/X/Biba_3.zip (downloads: 148)
http://arise64.pl/releases/arise_caricatures_originals.zip (downloads: 139)
http://csdb.dk/getinternalfile.php/109906/B3_music.rar (downloads: 130)

Look for downloads on external sites:
 Pokefinder.org


User Comment
Submitted by Thunder.Bird on 13 March 2016
*As always* the very good things don't bring it to the top... like the videocassette standards in the 80s.
So this is so freaking different to all those great 2-sided megademos!
And for my own special off-the-tops livestyle (because mainstream sucks) this one is truly brilliant in arts, style, gfx and very much in music.
Please continiue this way of making demos: not fuck for fame but arts for peace! <3
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 7 November 2014
..sorry, can't check the rest of demo now, I'm sure a lot of effort, just by a chance found this OST on Randall's HVSC :D
User Comment
Submitted by booker on 7 November 2014
10/10 just for the soundrack 8-o
User Comment
Submitted by Archmage on 12 September 2014
I have returned to this one over the past few days of demo watching mayhem. It has some rare qualities and a depth to it that really intrigues me. I will never not greet Arise. ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Burglar on 15 April 2014
I see myself boot this one up quite regularly, really really like it a lot and it doesnt grow old. coherent design, superb soundtrack, excellent code, originality, flow, its got it all. maybe the only the pic-on-pic effect on side 2 takes too long...

Arise #1

/me wants Biba #4!
User Comment
Submitted by Mr Wegi on 21 October 2013
Simple logic HCL against demagoguery big daddy. Big daddy learns how to understand the world of sheep. Do you miss the pedestal or pulpit big daddy.
User Comment
Submitted by Sith on 11 October 2013
Very different, highly original style of graphic art and effects. I loved every moment of it.
What came walking after the paper boats made me laugh so hard. XD
I loved lots of the effects you guys showed, which I've never seen before and appear to be highly original and innovative.

I don't care where a group is from; a great demo is a great demo; period. And this one is among the best imo.
User Comment
Submitted by Conrad on 3 September 2013
Just watched this on real C64 and 1084... would like to say big respect to the Arise gang!

I can understand HCL's point though... I do get the impression that you have to be in so called "bigger groups" to get more pat-on-the-back... then again, what the fuck do I know? To me, Arise is in the top 5 of my favorite C64 demo groups, no matter what others think. It's all to do with your own style and themes!
User Comment
Submitted by Mermaid on 16 July 2013
Lots of great stuff in this one, and fun caricatures <3
User Comment
Submitted by Cresh on 14 January 2013
Move to forum, please.
User Comment
Submitted by Flex on 14 January 2013
HCL wrote: "It is ridiculous to see people cheering certain demo(s) from the same compo, with clearly less content and innovation, just by the fact that they return to the scene after X number of years, or perhaps are from a certain country."
- I think any return to the scene deserves a big cheer. For example I would cheer big time for a new Ikari intro from the guys.. In these cases I think it's really not about the demo(s) and I see nothing ridiculous in it.
User Comment
Submitted by celticdesign on 14 January 2013
man, i wish i would have some strong "black" (well, i don't like the word nigga) music skillz for making those uber-funky-groovy tunes... :-)
at least it is "downvoting" as there are much to less votes here in csdb.
so a few, aehmmm, "racism" (or is something about being jealously) votes allow such a strong down rating.
at least you shouldn't care... but from heart, i am still in hope that the voting system will be changed here.

User Comment
Submitted by Burglar on 14 January 2013
really? csdb vote-drama? again?

also, I wish I had superskills like Magnar ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Groepaz on 14 January 2013
"[...]that all flavours of demos are welcome on the scene. He didn't mean *religion* explicitly (or did you?)."
no - but i didnt refer to demos either, but the people making them and discriminating them because of what they are. and i can only repeat: i have not seen this at demo parties. we have all kinds of nations, religions, colors and cultures mixed up in one room for a weekend and the only time someone gets hurt is when he is too drunk to walk =)

"This is all just for fun anyway, so how can anyone bother if i vote a little bit up on these guys that i know and vote a little bit down on those from strangewhere?"
i just refuse to believe that there is a majority voting with this kind of motivation behind it. yes sure, i am more likely to vote *at all* if some guy who i know points me to an entry of something he just released. yes i didnt vote for all X demos either. does that make me a racist? i hope not /o\

PS: and i have developed an antipathy against scroller-logo-press-space and i am not ashamed to admit that i am guilty of "downvoting" (whatever that is) some of them. so what? i am sure there are others who have "downvoted" artphosis because there is not enough hardcore code and the slow pace makes them fall asleep, so what? its their fucking right damnit :)
User Comment
Submitted by HCL on 14 January 2013
@Magnar: Sorry i was unclear, and i didn't put enough smileys to make everyone understand where is irony and not.

The religion-reasoning was just continuing Groepaz's theory that all flavours of demos are welcome on the scene. He didn't mean *religion* explicitly (or did you?).

..and i don't think i have more superskills than anyone else, i used too few smileys.

But i still think we are too blind to see the racism because it is comfortable. This is all just for fun anyway, so how can anyone bother if i vote a little bit up on these guys that i know and vote a little bit down on those from strangewhere? BoozeDesign gain from this kind of voting as well probably, so i should just be happy and stfu.
User Comment
Submitted by Jammer on 14 January 2013
Magnar: Those 'superskills' weren't serious at all and we know what HCL meant ;)
User Comment
Submitted by Magnar on 14 January 2013
HCL wrote, "Yes, we have nigga-demos and we have jewish demos, but we only vote for the christian demos, that's my point."

HCL, I'm not sure if I understand where you want to come with your current reasoning. I cannot believe people vote on demos at parties or here on csdb based on religion.

My view is that people vote on what visuals and audio concepts that brings a creative excitment and positive impression on the viewer when watching it.
Further on, I personally do not think good visuals and audio concepts necessary comes from the most complex and/or "world-record breaking" coding.
I strongly believe that the overall impression of design, audio, graphics, coding and the feel of the product is what people will vote for.

HCL wrote, "You don't have to have superskills like me to see that"

Bragging about having superskills is a dangerous thing to do, HCL. We are all skilled in different ways, and pointing yourself as "above everyone" with having superskills just amazes me. Sorry to say, in a very negative way..
User Comment
Submitted by Groepaz on 14 January 2013
fair voting means: everyone gets a 1 =)
User Comment
Submitted by HCL on 14 January 2013
..of course i have to go a little "over the top" to get any reaction, but i still mean what i wrote. You can not blame the voting here on csdb on party drunkness. Yes, we have nigga-demos and we have jewish demos, but we only vote for the christian demos, that's my point. You don't have to have superskills like me to see that, you can just click "Top Demos" and count the number of nigga-demos there and reconsider if it's really fair.
User Comment
Submitted by Groepaz on 14 January 2013
"The result from the X12 demo compo displays the obvious.. if you want to compete, you should be in a group from Germany, Sweden, Netherlands etc.. and not from Poland, Hungary or beyond. This underlying scene racism is something we should all take more seriously imo."
that sounds a *bit* over the top really. (reminds me of this "nordic conspiration" regarding scene.org awards =P) its also the first time i hear this concern (infact one thing i hear all the time as a partyorganizer is that unlike with other similar events, racism is non existant on scene parties. we *literally* see retarded black jewish nazi niggers making demos with each other =P)

IMHO the results are just the unfortunate (for some :)) consequence of late night voting and would have looked radically different otherwise. (personally i am very curious about how many people actually voted for that matter)
User Comment
Submitted by Didi on 11 January 2013
From my side it's more matter of style but of country. This one appears to me quite colorless and the music is not more than a bit underlining. It might be great from the technical side which I cannot judge, or a great piece of modern art, but I don't like modern art. Maybe I'm just yesterdayish. A ranking of 8.8 is nothing to complain in my eyes. A great demo has to have it all: Great music, great graphics and stunning effects. This one lacks on the graphical side and even more on the music. The only effect I kept in mind till the end is the glass with the cube. From my personal entertainment view this is not more than a 7.
User Comment
Submitted by Cargo on 11 January 2013
HCL, sadly but you're right. Thanks your words. We know and feel this on our skin. Just look at our group ranking on CSDB after 17 years continuous activity and more winner demos. Four votes. :(
Biba 3 should have been in the top 3! Very good product.
User Comment
Submitted by HCL on 11 January 2013
Gotta say it again.. this demo deserved a higher rank in that compo, and also deserves a higher rank here on csdb. It is ridiculous to see people cheering certain demo(s) from the same compo, with clearly less content and innovation, just by the fact that they return to the scene after X number of years, or perhaps are from a certain country.

The result from the X12 demo compo displays the obvious.. if you want to compete, you should be in a group from Germany, Sweden, Netherlands etc.. and not from Poland, Hungary or beyond. This underlying scene racism is something we should all take more seriously imo. I have seen it over more than a decade now, and it doesn't seem to change over time. Feels like enough frustration to write a comment :P.
User Comment
Submitted by Bitbreaker on 11 January 2013
Definitely underrated in the compo, i would have loved to see this ranked much higher. Also love the music that has a nice and kind of unique instrument set, and that goes directly into your brain. Extra point for so much hires gfx!
User Comment
Submitted by Rough on 28 November 2012
The 3D effects are really great (the shadow vector city... wow), also like the floating tunnel effect. And you guys are truly ugly. ^^

Music was a bit of a disappointment, more psycho tunes by Wacek!
User Comment
Submitted by FATFrost on 21 November 2012
Super duper!!! Great demo Arise!!!
User Comment
Submitted by v3to on 16 November 2012
wonderful stylish demo in art, effects, music. definitely underrated in the compo. and thank you guys so much for that 3d-waterpart with the paperboats :) love it.
User Comment
Submitted by Jak T Rip on 12 November 2012
INSANE...

I watched Protogeo first from the x2012 demos and couldn't believe it did not end up in the top 3. Then I watched Wonderland XI and could not believe it did not win. Then it dauned on me:
NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE C64, SO MANY GREAT DEMOS WERE RELEASED ON ONE DAY!
Not the 80s, not in the 90s - no, 2012 has marked the year of the coolest releases. Who would have thought?

Biba 1&2 were two of my favourite demos ever, and seeing Biba 3 was quite a blow, too. Some of the effects are f*cking fantastic and this time the demo is also carefully styled, almost themed throughout the whole presentation. Great stuff! And thanks for the only decent directory design from x2012 ;)
Biba in a wine glass?

And especially cool to see Fenek and Luke back in full action!
eLBAN, what's up with your jump'n'run?
User Comment
Submitted by Mr Wegi on 31 October 2012
Omg #8... What we can do with the karma ;-) extraordinary demo and I loved luk's part. Very nice msx and gfx. Rodney - master of details - big respect.
User Comment
Submitted by wacek on 31 October 2012
Added a ZIP containing original scans of Rodney's artworks for the endpart. Check it out, they're just brilliant :)
User Comment
Submitted by CreaMD on 30 October 2012
Works for me! Clean sound, consistent visual design. Some neat effects. Cool stuff!
User Comment
Submitted by NecroPolo on 30 October 2012
Greatness!

\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
User Comment
Submitted by wacek on 30 October 2012
Added high quality youtube capture by Lemming - thanks!

Anyone found the hidden part yet? :)
User Comment
Submitted by QuasaR on 30 October 2012
the music, the style, the effects... what a great demo!
User Comment
Submitted by ne7 on 30 October 2012
what a fantastic demo. one of my faves from the whole compo <3
User Comment
Submitted by Yazoo on 30 October 2012
this is a really good demo! most gfx are very good, the designconcept is very well done, and most effects look really good. just some of them could even kick more ass if they would be a little smoother - but thats complaining on an extremely high level!
both thumbs up from me.

this probably ended up too low in the results.
User Comment
Submitted by Yogibear on 30 October 2012
Hmm! Pretty good!
User Comment
Submitted by Groepaz on 29 October 2012
very underrated on the party indeed. one of which i thought it would definately end up higher than us :) congrats anyway!
User Comment
Submitted by HCL on 29 October 2012
Terribly underestimated!!! Omg, can't believe it, #8 is a joke. Ok, i still haven't seen #3-5 in the compo and i wasn't present at the party, but this demo deserves higher ranking imo.

I love the design and the many hires-elements. Bobs and vector effects that i wish i had made myself. Interesting music and everything. Gotta love it!
User Comment
Submitted by Deev on 29 October 2012
Nice style, lots of interesting ideas. I enjoyed the soundtrack as well!
User Comment
Submitted by Burglar on 29 October 2012
This took me by surprise, I wasnt expecting this. There's such a beautiful and coherent style throughout the whole demo.

Love the soundtrack too, fits the demo like a perfect glove.

extra points for the dirart!

edit:
also, the in memoriam for Toush (rip) was the most beautiful I've ever seen. Proper dedication to a lost friend.
User Comment
Submitted by SanderFocus on 29 October 2012
Great demo, i'm very impressed.
User Comment
Submitted by RaveGuru on 29 October 2012
@wackee: Thanks for explaining. I didn't get it either (although im sober :)

Culture apart: Good demo though; Nice design, excellent soundtrack, tasty pixels. Can't believe this didn't rank in the top 5.
User Comment
Submitted by Oswald on 29 October 2012
okay, how come this was #8 ? #2 on my list so far, almost #1. splendid design, and creative effects. minor ocmplaint: the antialiased cube would have looked better with more precise 3d. and gotta love the bobs part. would love to code someth like that.
User Comment
Submitted by Slator on 29 October 2012
a really great demo with some fabulus effects like the vectors. I didnt get the idea behind the demo, blame the booze or my silly mind, still some very nice ideas and style went into this. nice!
User Comment
Submitted by Radiant on 29 October 2012
Great stuff. And the antialiased vectors were very visible on the big screen, but for some reason I was the only one shouting about it...?
User Comment
Submitted by psych858o on 29 October 2012
Great demo guys! My daughter also loves it :)

Excellent soundtrack, especially dub step part of it.
User Comment
Submitted by ccr on 29 October 2012
A bit "polish" color schemes, but I love the art and style of this. Some technical amazement included as well.
User Comment
Submitted by Cresh on 29 October 2012
@Clarence - you are right, great part, but not visible on the big-screen. :|
User Comment
Submitted by Kisiel on 29 October 2012
dalem dyche men... I like it!
User Comment
Submitted by Clarence on 29 October 2012
Good demo guys, some interesting effects. I liked the bobs and the antialiased linevector most too (though the latter might not have been very noticable on a projector).
User Comment
Submitted by CreaMD on 28 October 2012
Not seen the demo yet, but appreciate the debate.
User Comment
Submitted by wacek on 28 October 2012
@Bordeaux, your comment is kinda important, because it made me realize that cultural differences between us go deeper that I assumed.

I think you might have missed the point of the demo completely. If "Biba 1" was an unadulturated praise on boozing, and "Biba 2" was about hmm, other hedonistic enjoyments ;) - this third installment is about something else. There is a Slavic tradition of honouring the loved ones who passed away with a social, celebratory gathering ("party" if you wish) which includes both food and drinking. We call it "konsolacja", I think a "wake" is a closest English equivalent. From psychological perspective, it is a passage, a milestone which helps to deal with loss. And that is the meaning of "Biba 3", which is (quite obviously, I assumed) emphasized with the dandelion allegory.

My view is that you DON'T have to be drunk to appreciate or respect that. As long as you understand.
User Comment
Submitted by nightlord on 28 October 2012
very cool demo. I especially loved the antialiased line vectors and teh 3d bobs with moving light source.
User Comment
Submitted by Joe on 28 October 2012
Great demo!
User Comment
Submitted by 6R6 on 28 October 2012
Very nice - love the effects and the music.
User Comment
Submitted by Cobra/Samar on 28 October 2012
great production.
zajebiste i tyle;)
User Comment
Submitted by Puma on 28 October 2012
Great
User Comment
Submitted by Tim on 28 October 2012
hmmz.. think I am not intoxicated enough to appreciate this demo in full.. but still, some good parts in here
User Comment
Submitted by Hammerfist on 28 October 2012
Love the design in this one. All sorts of little elements that keep coming back. Kudos on the dandelion theme. Had the same idea but now it's been done.. :)
User Comment
Submitted by Shine on 28 October 2012
Very special, quality production. :)
User Comment
Submitted by Optimus on 28 October 2012
Some interesting effects, nice design/artistic touches, massive demo. Way to go!
User Comment
Submitted by Ed on 28 October 2012
Very nice demo.
User Comment
Submitted by Isildur on 28 October 2012
@Wackee, now it works, i had to install Wice 2.3.25 (previously was 2.3.17)
User Comment
Submitted by SUDi on 28 October 2012
Superb demo, Polish guys shows the first-class job!
Works good with WinVICE 2.3 too.
User Comment
Submitted by wacek on 28 October 2012
What do you mean? Works fine on my WinVice 2.1 and 2.3, and on the real thing with no problems.
User Comment
Submitted by Isildur on 28 October 2012
Very, very good prod. I'll be voting after final results.
NOTE: works only on Hox64
User Comment
Submitted by wacek on 28 October 2012
The note with detailed credits will be released soon. After everybody sobers up ;)
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