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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 331 |
Event id #3391 : C64GFX.com CharSet Logo Compo 2024
✅ I am in! (After more than a decade!) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11147 |
Really? That seems pretty lame for a tool that is the defacto standard... |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 331 |
Quoting JammerKnowing that CharPad cannot reuse same char with different d800 colour, I guess further passing its output through Pixcen is not a bad idea.
I am not 100% sure, but i tested right now with:
CharPad Free Edition 2.86 (Bug free version)
and Joe's Logo:
Wrath Logo
And all seem to be fine. (190 unique Chars) |
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rexbeng
Registered: Aug 2012
Posts: 30 |
@chatGPZ, thanks! So, I'm putting this down in moron-graphician words to make sure I'm getting it straight:
There may be a 256 charset with, EITHER 3 common colours across all chars and one free for each char to chose between colours 8-15, OR black colour common across all chars and 3 free to chose for each char from any of the 16 colours? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11147 |
Almost, its colors 0-7 if you want multicolor chars :) |
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rexbeng
Registered: Aug 2012
Posts: 30 |
Hey, I'm still happy I got most of it! :D
Thanks! |
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Carrion
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 317 |
Quote: Really? That seems pretty lame for a tool that is the defacto standard...
Yup, that's unfortunately the "feature" that is very annoying and "remove doubles" doesnt fixes this.
I guess it is because of the way CharPad handles the coloring of the chars/tiles. I'm not sure it can be easily fixed. Charpad still is the best char editor on Windows though. Highly recommended for this compo ;)
I think this limitation could be bypassed by simple routine that shows the logo. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5027 |
Quote: Really? That seems pretty lame for a tool that is the defacto standard...
its natural if you think about it that it is aimed at designing level maps and tiles. Show me a game that stores a 2nd map for d800 colors.
but come to think about it not even the ancient native graphic editor can do it. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11147 |
All games that use meta-tiles, and use the colorram with it, could reuse chars with different colors - i am sure some do it (because really, why wouldn't they?) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5027 |
Quote: All games that use meta-tiles, and use the colorram with it, could reuse chars with different colors - i am sure some do it (because really, why wouldn't they?)
sure there may be some exceptions, but usually each char is assigned a color and thats it. no seperate tilecolor map, or levelcolormap
even if you have this then you can not use all 256 chars because then some bytes are reused for different color.
thats 1 reason for not doing it, and 2nd reason is unecessary extra complexity and usage of ram, look at mayhem in monsterland best char gfx for a game ever, and does fine without |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11147 |
Yes sure, but still no good reason to generally not support it, IMHO. |
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