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2018-02-03 00:50
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Event id #2670 : $11 Music Compo

Samar crew is proud and happy to announce brand new '$11 Music Compo'. Figure out how much you can do with your hands tied 😉 It's all about sheer fun!


Compo rules:

- only triangle wave, no wave or testbit allowed
- no ringmod or sync
- single/multispeed allowed
- no digis (thcm digis use only $11, $01 and $09 but... no)
- 1SID only
- min. 2 minutes playtime
- any number of tunes per musician
- tunes can be submitted till the end of 02.03
- please supply executable first and then sid, otherwise CSDb mods will skin you alive xD
- other necessary rules might be added later on


Voting:

- there's one week after compo deadline to vote
- CSDb is voting platform


Reward:

- fame and glory
- 10 best voted tunes will be compiled into bandcamp release with gorgeous cover art by Isildur


Have fun and use forum for questions and comments!
2018-02-03 02:37
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8406
boulderdash-player compo? =)
2018-02-03 04:26
Compyx

Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 289
Since there's already some limitations in place, how about restricting the size of the binary to 2KB (for example $1000-$17ff). This might result in new code.
2018-02-03 08:11
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 583
Quote: Since there's already some limitations in place, how about restricting the size of the binary to 2KB (for example $1000-$17ff). This might result in new code.

... and less entries :)
2018-02-03 08:47
Stryyker

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 459
What do you mean by no wave?
2018-02-03 09:30
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Quoting Stryyker
What do you mean by no wave?


If your editor of choice gives you that option, you can set wave register to gate on or off ($01/$00) without any waveform selected. It works practically as testbit - sound stops abruptly, just waveform phase is not resetted. Goat Tracker doesn't allow to put such value directly into wavetable (everything below $10 there is mapped as step delay) but you can still make use of 701 command in particular track which results in the above :)
2018-02-03 09:47
Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1330
Oh.. I first read it to be "no ... testbit" allowed, but now I see how you mean. So basically any combination of bit0 (gate on/off), bit3 (testbit on/off) and bit4 (triangle wave on/off) is allowed in that register, whereas the other bits must always be set to 0, right?
2018-02-03 09:49
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Quoting Compyx
Since there's already some limitations in place, how about restricting the size of the binary to 2KB (for example $1000-$17ff). This might result in new code.


That would limit choice of editors surely. Goat Tracker player is modular hence it would compile smaller player but I'm not sure about other editors. Compo is musicians' oriented and rule set is already quite demanding ;)


Quoting Frantic
Oh.. I first read it to be "no ... testbit" allowed, but now I see how you mean. So basically any combination of bit0 (gate on/off), bit3 (testbit on/off) and bit4 (triangle wave on/off) is allowed in that register, whereas the other bits must always be set to 0, right?


Exactly :) Just to give you a little hint in Goat Tracker - as it doesn't map values $00-$0f directly into wave register, you can still use e.g. $e9 to trigger testbit in wavetable. Cadaver's little workaround :D

edit:

Actually I was wrong about very gatebit as you can still write $e1 into Goat Tracker wavetable. (Me ducks and covers in shame :D)
2018-02-03 10:39
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
As this particular rule seems confusing gramatically:

- only triangle wave, no wave or testbit allowed

Let me rewrite it with Oxford comma:

- only triangle wave, no wave selected, and testbit are allowed

I hope it's not that confusing now ;) Frantic did explain it the best anyway ;)
2018-02-03 11:38
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1773
Quote: As this particular rule seems confusing gramatically:

- only triangle wave, no wave or testbit allowed

Let me rewrite it with Oxford comma:

- only triangle wave, no wave selected, and testbit are allowed

I hope it's not that confusing now ;) Frantic did explain it the best anyway ;)


to me now the 2nd way seem to be contradicting the 1st.
is test bit allowed or not?
Seems more a coding compo than a music compo to me, but what the fuck I know, good luck =)
2018-02-03 11:50
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Well, in music editor you program wave register too ;) It's legit music compo - not much coding here, unless you create your own player.

You can manipulate triangle bit, test bit and gate bit. I didn't want to put it that way initially to avoid confusion among musicians without programming skills but it turned out English is a bitch xD

- triangle waveform
- no waveform
- testbit

That's more or less what twisted grammar was supposed to convey ;) Sorry! :D
2018-02-03 11:57
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 819
Quote: Since there's already some limitations in place, how about restricting the size of the binary to 2KB (for example $1000-$17ff). This might result in new code.

Your new code? Still waiting... ;)

Anyway, think I'm gonna mix-up 2 compos now.
2018-02-03 12:49
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 201
Quote: Since there's already some limitations in place, how about restricting the size of the binary to 2KB (for example $1000-$17ff). This might result in new code.

Our idea was to squeeze $11 as much as possible so file size limit is unnecessary ;)
2018-02-03 13:26
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 746
Oh wait, testbit's allowed? That changes things a lot. I read that backwards before. Thanks for the clarification.
2018-02-03 16:39
Mixer

Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 241
I think I'll pitch in a - no wave - entry.
2018-02-03 16:43
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Quoting Mixer
I think I'll pitch in a - no wave - entry.


Click house? ;)
2018-02-03 16:50
Mixer

Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 241
Quote: Quoting Mixer
I think I'll pitch in a - no wave - entry.


Click house? ;)


It is just so surreal that there has to be a rule for - no wave :) "you can build this house out of something or emptiness" :) I do not think that what I had in mind is within the spirit of the competition.
2018-02-03 16:56
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Not stating that funny point would mean that we cannot put $01/$00 into reg so either you put triangle, release it or gtfo, heheh xD Believe me, you'll hear it in action ;)
2018-02-03 17:08
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8406
please define "single/multispeed allowed". 78 player calls per frame ok? replayer running in main loop AND irq ok?
2018-02-03 17:30
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Quoting Groepaz
please define "single/multispeed allowed". 78 player calls per frame ok? replayer running in main loop AND irq ok?


Anything you wish, as long as you don't use routine for reading and playing sample data. Gotta ask Isildur what about soft synth based on very fast replay (if that's what you aim for) :P If it uses routine identical with sample playback, it should IMHO count as digis.
2018-02-03 19:01
algorithm

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 685
Hardware accelerated samples demo used triangle waveform on all channels at x4 speed but does not count as digi (although I guess only original compositions tweaked manually are allowed)
2018-02-03 19:54
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Actually nothing was stated about own compositions, LOLz :D But should be added indeed. That's how it looks when two tired dudes assemble event in the evening ;)
2018-02-03 20:20
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 201
Quote: please define "single/multispeed allowed". 78 player calls per frame ok? replayer running in main loop AND irq ok?

Main idea is how far $11 can go ;)
So if you have such 78x player then don't hesitate to use it!
@Jammer, covers also allowed, why not?
(How about next strange music compo $81? Is it even possible to make music using $81 only?)
2018-02-03 20:48
4mat

Registered: May 2010
Posts: 43
I think this SounDemoN track does something with noise to get actual pitches: PICO!
2018-02-03 21:04
lft

Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 323
Quoting Jammer

- tunes can be submitted till the end of 02.03


So it's today only? Can't participate then, since I'm busy at the moment.
2018-02-03 21:09
Moloch

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1686
Dates :
3 February - 2 March 2018
2018-02-03 22:15
Randall

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 388
Quote: I think I'll pitch in a - no wave - entry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_wave

looking vorwärts to that
2018-02-03 23:03
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Quoting lft
So it's today only? Can't participate then, since I'm busy at the moment.


You don't use American date scheme, do you? ;)
2018-02-04 01:58
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8406
Quote:
Anything you wish, as long as you don't use routine for reading and playing sample data. Gotta ask Isildur what about soft synth based on very fast replay (if that's what you aim for) :P If it uses routine identical with sample playback, it should IMHO count as digis.

please be precise :)
2018-02-04 09:48
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Quoting Groepaz
please be precise :)


Bad trolling is always bad ;)
2018-02-04 12:57
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8406
not trolling at all, is it allowed or not?
2018-02-04 13:22
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 201
Quote: not trolling at all, is it allowed or not?

Groepaz, if you are thinking of some realtime synth then go ahead, it's allowed.
But digitized samples (like THCM's method) using $11 not allowed.
2018-02-04 13:39
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8406
i was more thinking of (re)creating other waveforms :) but ok, lets see if i find the time to implement that =P
2018-02-04 13:54
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Quoting Groepaz
not trolling at all, is it allowed or not?

My apologies then.


Quoting Isildur
Groepaz, if you are thinking of some realtime synth then go ahead, it's allowed.
But digitized samples (like THCM's method) using $11 not allowed.

Waveform replayer (soundemon/thcm, call it like you want) is only a method of playback. Potential soft synth is most probably going to use it at high frequency as well :)


If that makes everybody happy, let's say soft synth/custom shapes based on waveform replayer are ok. I assume it doesn't exceed 256b for sound definition created on the spot. So it makes room for karplus and stuff.
2018-02-04 15:13
celticdesign

Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 112
so is the focus on music/composing or $11 techerymagic? =:-)
2018-02-04 15:15
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 201
Quote: so is the focus on music/composing or $11 techerymagic? =:-)

Of course music/composing! :D
2018-02-04 20:53
No-XS

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 59
I am too silly to know what is meant now.. I read it as: only waveform 11 allowed.. So bring on the Strangleholds
2018-02-04 21:26
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Quoting No-XS
I am too silly to know what is meant now.. I read it as: only waveform 11 allowed.. So bring on the Strangleholds


Triangle waveform is full of magic. You'll surely figure sth out ;)
2018-02-06 16:11
No-XS

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 59
Until yesterday I thought $11 was a sine.. (*ashamed*)

More than a whistle and low bass I can not make just yet.

And what about the noise $81 ? also not allowed?
2018-02-06 16:37
Adam

Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 190
Quoting Jammer

- tunes can be submitted till the end of 02.03


people had one day to submit? (the day you posted?) im confused.
can you write that date in a format that makes sense? thanks :)
2018-02-06 16:41
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 746
Quoting No-XS
Until yesterday I thought $11 was a sine.. (*ashamed*)

Don't feel too bad, until a couple of days ago I was thinking that this was a sawtooth compo; had my bits mixed up. At least triangle is fairly sine-like.

Quote:
More than a whistle and low bass I can not make just yet.

Modulate modulate modulate :D

Quote:
And what about the noise $81 ? also not allowed?

Correct.
2018-02-06 16:55
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Quoting Adam
can you write that date in a format that makes sense? thanks :)


It's the American way of writing data that makes no sense, sorry :P Can we already skip this issue?
2018-02-06 23:14
GH/MSL/Toondichters

Registered: Sep 2014
Posts: 57
Count me in :D
2018-02-06 23:29
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 8406
meh. the whole glorious idea i had sounds like SQUUUEEEEEKKRKRKKRKSKSKKSKRKRKRKRKRKEEE

back to the drawing board =P
2018-02-06 23:35
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 201
Quote: Quoting No-XS
Until yesterday I thought $11 was a sine.. (*ashamed*)

Don't feel too bad, until a couple of days ago I was thinking that this was a sawtooth compo; had my bits mixed up. At least triangle is fairly sine-like.

Quote:
More than a whistle and low bass I can not make just yet.

Modulate modulate modulate :D

Quote:
And what about the noise $81 ? also not allowed?

Correct.


To clarify confusion ;)

Deadline is on 2nd March.

$21 - $81 not allowed, only $11 ($10 for instrument release and $09 as testbit).
2018-02-06 23:40
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Quoting Groepaz
meh. the whole glorious idea i had sounds like SQUUUEEEEEKKRKRKKRKSKSKKSKRKRKRKRKRKEEE

back to the drawing board =P


Bring on the $11 dubstep! \m/
2018-02-07 06:53
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 4174
Quote: meh. the whole glorious idea i had sounds like SQUUUEEEEEKKRKRKKRKSKSKKSKRKRKRKRKRKEEE

back to the drawing board =P


then you can cover this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFGI_gM2HDQ
2018-02-07 13:14
Scarzix

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 135
Will consider to participate, but must say motivation for composing for CSDB compos is pretty darn low recently.
2018-02-07 17:05
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 2492
Cool! One of the ideas (not sure who came with it) I was debating about in past (with someone I forgot whom and when) got a compo finally!!! ;-) A dose of round tunes.
2018-02-07 17:11
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 2492
Is DMC5.0 player hardrestart compatible with the compo rules? Just asking. Dunno much about the testbit mojo and stuff. I more or less compose intuitively.
2018-02-07 18:19
spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 138
Been there, done that.
These Go To Eleven
2018-02-07 18:25
Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1330
CreaMD: I find it hard to believe that the DMC hardrestart would mess with sync/ringmod or enable any of the other waveforms, so that should be safe yes.
2018-02-07 19:00
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Even if hardrestart triggers other bits, it's hard to disqualify anyone, especially sometimes you cannot really change it. Won't be much of a problem ;)
2018-02-07 21:51
F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 5
Sorry if this was answered already, but I see no limitations on taking advantage of multispeed usage.

So correct me if I'm wrong - there would be no rules broken with this (6581) or this (8580), for example? Only $11+$10+$00 were used, quasi-ringmods generated via filter-cycle timing and/or waveform timing. Using $11 as a mere triangle only would feel like a waste if this was the forced rule.

I'm new here and just want to be double sure before participating. Thanks! :-)
2018-02-07 23:25
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
That's right. Your examples are absolutely rules compliant ;)
2018-02-07 23:26
Mixer

Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 241
F7sus4, thanks for setting the baseline for the competition :)
2018-02-10 14:02
F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 5
Was doing the tune for the compo today. Bugged out and wanted to recover to earlier version... only to realize the disk was full and all I have are 0 block files.

The last thing I have is Sound Forge recording for analysis. Too furious to start this from scratch again, so I'm simply sharing what I had with you guys (x8/8580).

Sigh!
2018-02-10 14:07
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 734
Great wip! Don't worry, still enough time to try something new! ;)
2018-02-10 17:54
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 2492
Frantic, Jammer, thanx.
2018-02-11 13:08
Digger

Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 261
@F7sus4: This is going to be a daaaaark sounding compo :)
2018-02-12 11:54
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 201
@Digger daaaaark is good too :D
2018-02-15 10:42
F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 5
Okay, my entry is done now. Now just need non-glitching x8 player. ;-)
2018-02-16 10:00
Klegg

Registered: Feb 2006
Posts: 14
Wait, so filter is allowed? Damnit. :)
2018-02-16 10:09
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 201
Filters allowed ofcoz ;)

Regarding Frantic's post on main compo page - allowed values are:
$00
$01
$08
$09
$10
$11
$18
$19

But still... main wave is $11, rest of the values affects release (ADSR) only.
2018-02-18 19:42
Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1330
Testbit does not affect ADSR. It affects the *oscillator*.
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