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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1292 |
Hosting +4/16/116/PET releases
I wonder if CSDb couldn't eventually host releases for all Commodore's 8biters. Also, TED music is organized into HVTC which could be integrated with search. The biggest obstacle is obviously old, not very moddable site engine but what if? ;) After all it's CSDb, not C64SDb ;) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3136 |
sorry for the wake up call, but it's actually C64 scene database,
so no. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1292 |
With an exception to C128 not necessarily in C64 compatible mode. So it makes no sense :D |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3136 |
C128 or C64DTV contain a working C64 (or simulate one if you want to split hairs in 4) and that is the only reason they're an exception. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1292 |
I'd agree but these few releases around here make use of components which cross the boundary - VDC or CP/M to grab the easiest ones. It really is inconsistent from the categorisation pov. Still unconvinced :) |
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F7sus4
Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112 |
Vice versa, C64 doesn't "contain" C128, but still there are C128 releases available. That's just wishy-washy logic.
Anyway, the best option for C16/Plus4/VIC20 stuff are probably TOSEC archives right now. But considering that merely improving the voting system took 10+ years at CSDb (which in fact, was barely an increase in minimum votes required to display the average), it sounds like wishful thinking. I mean, at some point during their life, old people start to despise change...
But I like your idea, Jammer. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1292 |
My main argument would be that these scenes are rather tiny so there is enough room for all and everything in one convenient C= related place. POUET hosts only execs, unfortunately.
I obviously don't count on anything set in motion but it's definitely worth at least a brainstorm with some merit. |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 226 |
I think making separate repository and site that aggregates all those repositories with a modern UI would make more sense (and would probably be easier than making csdb move). |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1292 |
That for sure, from the purely technical pov. But CSDb is also an important scene life hub with whole consistent system of comments, forums etc. What I also imply is that other Commodore segments could be seamlessly integrated and participate in all of these. |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 226 |
Jammer, but you need to put boundaries somewhere. Each person sees those boundaries differently. It is much easier to keep things organised when one tool serves one purpose. Then you can mix and match and use whatever tools you like without cluttering those tools for others.
The feel of CSDB is what it is because the scope is (mainly) c64. There are multi platform demo repositories which have different feel (i don't like them, their scope is too wide for me). Do we really want to turn CSDB into one of those?
AI tools are close, but not fully there yet - we will be able to get super personalised projects for us. One will be able to tell "show me the view of csdb like site with...", and each will be able to fill in whatever he/she wants. We will get personalized books, movies etc. that are according to individual preferences. I might not live long enough to see it, but you will, i'm sure. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1292 |
@Jetboy: You may've not noticed but I did - otherwise I'd propose Atari xD |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 226 |
But you proposed +4/16/116/PET which are different platforms to C64 :)
Which only proves different people have limits in different places :) |
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Frostbyte
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 174 |
Quote: I wonder if CSDb couldn't eventually host releases for all Commodore's 8biters. Also, TED music is organized into HVTC which could be integrated with search. The biggest obstacle is obviously old, not very moddable site engine but what if? ;) After all it's CSDb, not C64SDb ;)
Funny, we were just talking about the same thing last night with Aomeba while watching the AROK stream. It'd be the bestest thing ever if CSDB would become an 8-bit C= hub in general, not just for C-64 (and occasionally C-128 and DTV).
PETs, VIC-20, 264 series... They'd all deserve a single-stop go-to place too. Who knows, maybe it'd boost them as demo platforms as well, if they'd have more visibility and a place to share and discuss their releases.
Yes I know, not worth holding my breath for... But one can always dream, right? :) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 449 |
Well one could say as rule of thumb:
System emulated by VICE? yes -> CSDb / no -> no CSDb.
Personally I'm undecided on that matter. While there are very nice demos and gfx on C16/+4 which I feel are very close to C64 scene I can easily live without TED music ;-)
From a musicians point of view I'd even prefer Atari / Pokey :-)
In the end I guess this will be another "theoretic" discussion like "Tags" anyway. |
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oziphantom
Registered: Oct 2014
Posts: 478 |
chuckles nervously in the back of the bus "I'm in danger"
Bucket Wars 1.3 Triple |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2854 |
Quoting FrostbytePETs, VIC-20, 264 series... They'd all deserve a single-stop go-to place too. Individually, yes, and those exist to some extent.
But why all in the same place? Just because they're somewhat related? And if same place for all, why here? |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
main reason for the NO is that CSDb will crash if the thousands, thousands and thousands crackers/cracking-groups from those platforms will be added here :) |
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F7sus4
Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112 |
Quote: main reason for the NO is that CSDb will crash if the thousands, thousands and thousands crackers/cracking-groups from those platforms will be added here :)
"Billions and billions", yet it still takes as much as 5-15% of all C64 stuff ever released. ;-) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1292 |
Quoting Smashermain reason for the NO is that CSDb will crash if the thousands, thousands and thousands crackers/cracking-groups from those platforms will be added here :)
Must be ironic as I cannot imagine these thousands, actually ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11145 |
Quote:System emulated by VICE? yes -> CSDb / no -> no CSDb
Time to remove xplus4 then :D |
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Frostbyte
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 174 |
Quote: Quoting FrostbytePETs, VIC-20, 264 series... They'd all deserve a single-stop go-to place too. Individually, yes, and those exist to some extent.
But why all in the same place? Just because they're somewhat related? And if same place for all, why here?
Pretty much for convenience. With all its curiosities and flaws, CSDB is still a very functional site to a) add releases, b) rate them, discuss about them, and discuss everything around making them. And of course to follow which events are upcoming etc. I've probably said it before in some previous conversation, but IMHO one of the key factors why C64 scene is so prolific is that we have a single place to go to, so it's really easy to see what is happening, and be seen when you have an urge to create and release something. Can't say for certain of course, but I'd think other C8 scenes would benefit from the same. Not saying that we'd e.g. suddenly see thousands of VIC-20 releases per year, but even just a few per year would be a nice boost to the scene of less-loved.
Anyway, I know C64SDB won't be upgraded into CSDB, so all this discussion is purely hypothetical and thus pointless. :) |
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Frostbyte
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 174 |
...one more for the road: how about copying CSDB, drop all data, change any C64 references to e.g. VIC-20 references, change categories, change HVSC refs to VIC-20 equivalents if there is one, etc, and finally change the logos and colour theme a bit, and host it under vic20.csdb.dk or elsewhere. Hey presto, a brand new dedicated site for VIC-20. Rinse and repeat. This way a minimal amount of actual code would need to be touched.
(yes I know there'd be plenty of little details to take into account not mentioned above, but you'll get the rough idea) |
