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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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new release type "c64dtv release" ?
as shown in the goof info to Space Taxi +DTV-Samplefixed ppl start adding stuff that for one reason or the other are inferior to "real" c64 releases because they were "fixed" to work with the c64dtv - make a new cathegory? |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
Quote: "MMC64 fixes" here so far have been onefiled games. Should all one-file demos, tools, cracks etc. be tagged as MMC64 & IDE64 fixed? If that's the case then I want C2N232 & Silversurfer fixed categories as well...
What I'm trying to say is that releases shouldn't be tagged as "XYZ compatible" just because they manage to work with that hardware without crashing, they should utilize it as well.
Good point.
So to make a long story short, only a "C64DTV Demo" category would be needed.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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So to make a long story short, only a "C64DTV Demo" category would be needed.
i dont agree with that. that particular version of space taxi for example has a sample-fix specially for the dtv (and it sounds worse than the original on a real c64). also a checkbox "works on mmc64" or "works on ide64" makes equal sense to me as "uses reu" or "uses ar". it doesnt *matter* if it accidently works with mmc64 because its onefiled anyway here - what matters is the additional value of having the thing tagged like this for easier searching. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: Quote:
So to make a long story short, only a "C64DTV Demo" category would be needed.
i dont agree with that. that particular version of space taxi for example has a sample-fix specially for the dtv (and it sounds worse than the original on a real c64). also a checkbox "works on mmc64" or "works on ide64" makes equal sense to me as "uses reu" or "uses ar". it doesnt *matter* if it accidently works with mmc64 because its onefiled anyway here - what matters is the additional value of having the thing tagged like this for easier searching.
Absolutely agree here. Notice some things, though:
It's most likely to be named "CDTV Fixed" and then the quesion wether it's the PAL or the NTSC CDTV and wether the fix breaks the compatibility/quality on the real machine or not, as in example of "Space Taxi".
I do not hope that such examples will be the rule. A fix should not break something for the real hardware!
"Demo" as you suggested would mean for me a demo that only runs on the DTV (which sounds bad to me again). |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2898 |
Just a little nitpick here... but DTV != CDTV.
It appears the best suggestions have come from Gropey.
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Yeah, fully agree with Groepaz' suggestions, very good idea! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11150 |
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It's most likely to be named "CDTV Fixed" and then the quesion wether it's the PAL or the NTSC CDTV and wether the fix breaks the compatibility/quality on the real machine or not, as in example of "Space Taxi".
it could be made like this
mmc64 []supported []required []fixed []breaks
- supported means additional features are utilized
- required means the device is required for the program to work at all
- fixed indicates that the release was explicitly fixed to work with the device
- breaks indicated that the release does not/no more work (perfectly, or at all) with this device
so for that spaceinvaders release
stock c64 [x]supported []required []fixed [x]breaks
c64dtv [x]supported []required [x]fixed []breaks
pal [x]supported []required []fixed []breaks
ntsc [x]supported []required []fixed []breaks
...you get the idea (someone else might have a better system anyway :=P)
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I do not hope that such examples will be the rule. A fix should not break something for the real hardware!
"Demo" as you suggested would mean for me a demo that only runs on the DTV (which sounds bad to me again).
it will happen i am sure. the c64dtv is a completely new platform (to me atleast) that just happens to be somewhat c64 compatible. plays pretty much in the same area as the scpu - just that soon a lot more ppl will have a c64 than there are scpu owners :)
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: Quote:
It's most likely to be named "CDTV Fixed" and then the quesion wether it's the PAL or the NTSC CDTV and wether the fix breaks the compatibility/quality on the real machine or not, as in example of "Space Taxi".
it could be made like this
mmc64 []supported []required []fixed []breaks
- supported means additional features are utilized
- required means the device is required for the program to work at all
- fixed indicates that the release was explicitly fixed to work with the device
- breaks indicated that the release does not/no more work (perfectly, or at all) with this device
so for that spaceinvaders release
stock c64 [x]supported []required []fixed [x]breaks
c64dtv [x]supported []required [x]fixed []breaks
pal [x]supported []required []fixed []breaks
ntsc [x]supported []required []fixed []breaks
...you get the idea (someone else might have a better system anyway :=P)
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I do not hope that such examples will be the rule. A fix should not break something for the real hardware!
"Demo" as you suggested would mean for me a demo that only runs on the DTV (which sounds bad to me again).
it will happen i am sure. the c64dtv is a completely new platform (to me atleast) that just happens to be somewhat c64 compatible. plays pretty much in the same area as the scpu - just that soon a lot more ppl will have a c64 than there are scpu owners :)
Your idea of making the releases is very good! Thanks for the suggestion and the care.
The difference is, you can just buy a super CPU and plug it in, a DTV you have to modify first to get it to the way it works the way required. OK, there are people and so who offer the modification, but question is for how long, and I admit, I am not a technical and soldering freak to make hardware modifications, hehe.
Other than that, it's possible in my eyes, to keep the release in a way it still works as normal on an original stock C64, just include both routines or whatever in the release and let users choose from it. I have seen game cracks allowing to run on NTSC and PAL this way. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
Quote:Other than that, it's possible in my eyes, to keep the release in a way it still works as normal on an original stock C64, just include both routines or whatever in the release and let users choose from it.
That's easier said than done; the DTV has a 8 bits per plane mode and the possibility to change the color palette.
So some effects/demo's won't run on a stock C64 in the near future.
This said, the PAL (V2) DTV has the 8bpp mode and the NTSC version doesn't.
Geez...
R.
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: Quote:Other than that, it's possible in my eyes, to keep the release in a way it still works as normal on an original stock C64, just include both routines or whatever in the release and let users choose from it.
That's easier said than done; the DTV has a 8 bits per plane mode and the possibility to change the color palette.
So some effects/demo's won't run on a stock C64 in the near future.
This said, the PAL (V2) DTV has the 8bpp mode and the NTSC version doesn't.
Geez...
R.
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So explain a bit what this is about please?:
The King Is Back
Thanks :)
It scares me, I really prefer a real C64 and I hope most of the C64 sceners still will! |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
Quote: So explain a bit what this is about please?:
The King Is Back
Thanks :)
It scares me, I really prefer a real C64 and I hope most of the C64 sceners still will!
I haven't got a modded DTV yet, so I trust on other ppl observations; you see some moving rasterbars which use a modified palette. Don't know what's up with the pic but I guess it has something to do with the modded palette too.
It was coded by a German guy called Roland (no, not this Roland (me) because I'm dutch ;-) and got it from a german forum.
Don't know if "Roland" should be added to CSDB as a scener. I could send him a mail tho.
R.
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