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2021-12-04 18:42

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 620

Event id #3140 : Intro Creation Compo 2021

I am very happy to announce that The annual Intro Creation Compo is here once again. There will be an entry to kick off the competition from me some time later on this or next week.

Didi currently has no time, and has allowed me to step in as host for this year's competition.

The competition runs from December 4th, 2021, until January 31st, 2021. So you have just under 2 months to deliver your creations. This should be enough for an intro.

RULES for both categories: (Same as last year's compo)
Your intro entry...
- has to work on a plain stock C64 (PAL standard) without any extensions.
- has to be a one-part intro. Short fade-ins and fade-outs are OK.
- has to contain at least one Logo at whatever size you like.
- has to contain a changing or moving text message (e.g. scrolling text, different lines fading in & out, etc.)
- has to be interruptable any time by pressing SPACE-key (exception are the short fade-in and fade-out).
- does not need to have exclusive graphics, charsets or music. But the code should be exclusive, so reuse of existing code with just exchanged graphics and music is not allowed.
- has not been publicly used before entering the competition.
- has to be handed in as executable format startable with RUN (.prg or embedded in .t64 or .d64).

Your 16kB intro...
- has a maximum RAM footprint of $4000 bytes at one block, at whatever location you like. Screen RAM counts as used memory. Exclusions are system addresses like VIC (inkl. Color RAM), SID, CIA, Stack, Zero-page, IRQ vectors. This means RAM besides chosen $4000 bytes area and exceptions has to be the same before and after running the intro. What happens during runtime is up to you.
- has to contain music (not just a humming sound, please).
- is linked to this competition as "C64 Demo" entry (sorry, no other fitting entry exists).

Your 4kB intro...
- has a maximum RAM footprint of $1000 bytes at one block, at whatever location you like. Screen RAM counts as used memory. Exclusions are system addresses like VIC (inkl. Color RAM), SID, CIA, Stack, Zero-page, IRQ vectors. This means RAM besides chosen $1000 bytes area and exceptions has to be the same before and after running the intro. What happens during runtime is up to you.
- does not have to contain any sound, but feel free to add some.
- is linked to this competition as "C64 4k Intro" entry.

You are allowed to enter maximum 3 entries per participant and category, so you can enter 6 entries at best. Entries might be taken back from the compo until deadline. That means if you want to remove one of your works from the compo to make space for another entry from you, this can be done until deadline.
Deadline for entry submission is 31st January 2022 at 00:00:00 GMT+0 (UK).
Voting closes 28 February 2022 at 00:00:00 GMT+0 (UK)
Voting platform is CSDb (with all disadvantages it may have), therefore entries have to be posted here.
Entries will be ranked by weighted average of CSDb votes. Entries with the same weighted average are ranked by their percentages of 10s, 9s, etc.

No prizes to win, all just for fun, and to share around the scene.

Have loads of fun.

PS: Please do not lock your entries on submission. This is because the problems I had with the CSDB Fun Compo 2021 when setting the results for each entry.

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2021-12-05 12:45

Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2856

Whom it may concern: maxing out the 4K rules can be done like so

; run-time memory is $0000 up to at most $13d9 incl.,
; $0000..$01ff and $0300..$0333 are not counted,
; counting as $03da..$13d9 as per ICC 4K rules,
; with $0200..$02ff, $0334..$03d9 and memory at $1400+
; being buffered at start within the $03da..$13d9 range and restored upon exit

2021-12-05 12:54

Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2856

Quoting Richard

Your 16kB intro...
[...]
- is linked to this competition as "C64 Demo" entry (sorry, no other fitting entry exists).

Yeah, 16 KB is practically unrestricted, so much space. =)

But why does "C64 One-File Demo" not fit?

2021-12-05 15:53

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 620

Quote: First of all, Cheers for launching the ICC!

Question:
- Does it make sense to discuss the rules? (Or is it: Same procedure than last year, take it or let it be, OK for me, just asking before starting another end- and pointless discussion)
- 8k / 2k / 1k won't be categories?

It is more or less the same procedure as last year's competition.

2021-12-05 15:54

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 620

Quote: Thinking that the current Transmission64 Fall Edition party is actually running. Couldn't you just have waited 1 or 2 days Richard?

I completely forgot about that.

2021-12-05 15:57

Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2856

I really don't see the problem with announcing a competition with a deadline months ahead while an online show whose deadlines have passed is running right now.

2021-12-05 17:36

Richard

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 620

Cheers Krill :)

I started working on my entry for one of the ICC2021 categories today. You should hopefully see it later on this week.

2021-12-06 09:26

Didi

Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 480

Quote: Is it organized in agreement with Didi or just hijacked? ;)

Richard runs this with my permission to adapt the rules, because I don't have the sparetime to regularly validate the entries, answer questions, etc. Maybe I will have the time to participate by myself at least.

2021-12-06 12:54

TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2101

Quoting Didi

Richard runs this with my permission to adapt the rules,...

... which brings me back to my questions
Quoting Myself

- Does it make sense to discuss the rules? (Or is it: Same procedure than last year, take it or let it be, OK for me, just asking before starting another end- and pointless discussion)
- 8k / 2k / 1k won't be categories?

I do have suggestions for rules (e.g. get rid of "used RAM" in favor of crunched filesize, dump 16k in favour of 8 / 2 / 1k) but as it feels very Groundhog Day/dejavu, I'm tired of discussing again and again when the rules are carved in stone, anyway. As I said, it's okay, but just say so explicitly, then.

2021-12-06 18:35

Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2856

Quoting TheRyk

I do have suggestions for rules (e.g. get rid of "used RAM" in favor of crunched filesize, dump 16k in favour of 8 / 2 / 1k)

Having a specified-size example file to link against (different secret file of same size for verification) is the only sensible restriction for an intro, imho.

But 2K or even 1K are pretty much useless when it's run-time size (not size on disk), with 4K just being barely enough for a meaningful intro.
And 2K or 1K would mean about 62K of payload file, which basically never happened for cracks.

Getting rid of 16K in favour of 8K seems okay, given that 16K is practically unrestricted and 8K quite a classic size for intros.

2021-12-06 22:37

TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2101

Quoting Krill

...Having a specified-size example file to link against (different secret file of same size for verification) is the only sensible restriction for an intro, imho.

Totally makes sense for crack intros.
Quoting Krill

... run-time size (not size on disk)

One big advantage of mere size on disk (whatever limit we're talking about) is: EASY to check if an entry is valid. Ain't it very painful to check each entry in monitor for rule-violating XXXX-bytes-block of RAM (plus all the exception such as ZP/IO/Tape Buffer and whatnot?
Quoting Krill

And 2K or 1K would mean about 62K of payload file, which basically never happened for cracks.

True, but as we haven't the word "crack" in the ICC, this shouldn't matter too much. However, as this is a coder thing, I can imagine there are many cool things you can do in 1k or 2k which, however might be a little unfair to compete with 4k.
Quoting Krill

Getting rid of 16K in favour of 8K seems okay, given that 16K is practically unrestricted and 8K quite a classic size for intros.

Full ack. This would be a change for the better imho.

Still, Richard's given the scepter, and if he says: Same procedure as last year, we can stop discussing.

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