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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 505 |
Release id #88112 : Heil Hitler
This release kicks off a needed discussion about introducing any 'sensitive' (in many meanings of that word) material to this database.
Once again, there should be some rules about such things. Example - besides the above release - is stuff that is offensive to some sceners, done by other sceners in bad taste and certainly not good intentions... I also have some things like this in my collection, but uptil now decided not to share it.
Can we maybe appoint some general approach to this?? |
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Ventura
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Registered: Jan 2006
Posts: 67 |
@Oswald, a simulair thing happenend on 64 a long, long time ago, regarding Jews.
Some people were offendend, but never looked at it again (lame?, stupid?).
I agree with Mace. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5028 |
maybe there should be a disclaimer added to csdb, that the included materials does not express the views blabla, just collecting, bla bla, we do not intend to bla bla, etc. :) |
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Ventura
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Registered: Jan 2006
Posts: 67 |
Oswald: the same thing happend to what i mentioned earlier. |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
Quote: Why? Someone posing as a WWE member send me a disk late '89, i liked the original intro.
But this one had swastica's and even more after pressing the spacebar.
I decided not to spread it, end of discussion.
mmm its a bit complicated... i think i remember a demo by deathsector (was it deathsector? umm) having line vectors showing a swastika... they were referring to the finnish airforce (i hope)... because they have a swastika as a symbol.
also the indian embassy in london has swastikas infront of the door.
so its not that easy to say swastika = nazi-shit.
but in germany swastikas as a symbol are forbidden.
if the server -hosting csdb- would be located in germany - this would have to be removed because of the law, or the administrator may run into some trouble.
i think this server is located in sweden? i dont know much about the swedish law - it may be very different.
because when you allow uploading this release, there may follow up alot of nazi-games and other stuff...
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Ventura
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Registered: Jan 2006
Posts: 67 |
Yazoo: they were referring to the Finnish Airforce.
Material of this nature gets used to provoke people, wheter you like it or not.
And indeed: it was a nazi-game. You can always ignore it. |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2493 |
Although I certainly don´t like this stuff either (who does?), I think it is right to preserve it here. It is a part of scene history.
All sorts of censorship can take a wrong path - just see Fight Against Racism which was not shown in the compo at TP ´94 because it had _crossed out_ swastikas in it - and this problem is generally here in Germany also for t-shirts and other stuff with crossed-out swastikas (which are forbidden!), which is stupid for obvious reason. |
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Ventura
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Registered: Jan 2006
Posts: 67 |
Material of a sensitive nature gets used by the scene/media to provoke.
Who are we to do something about that?. |
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tnu
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Registered: Jan 2010
Posts: 42 |
Quote:i think this server is located in sweden? i dont know much about the swedish law - it may be very different.
....the same law in sweden as in germany - forbidden..... |
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Ventura
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History: The fight between Fascism, Communism and Left (which sometimes led to war). |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11147 |
Quote:History has proven that discussions like this on CSDb end in chaos about subjective thresholds between 'what is allowed' and 'what is not allowed'.
and because of that, what counts is the law :)
Quote:Although I certainly don´t like this stuff either (who does?), I think it is right to preserve it here. It is a part of scene history. All sorts of censorship can take a wrong path
yep, totally agree.
as for swastikas and them beeing forbidden - for the most part it doesnt apply to csdb at all. preserving original material for the sake of history is fine, pretty much everywhere (even in germany).
and to speak for myself, some of that nazi crap is part of my "history" too. i want that silly shit here so i can laugh about it when i feel like it, just like i did 20 years ago already :) also fuck political correctness. |
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