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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1727 |
Top list for added screen shots?
First of all, I respect that not everybody wants to take the time to add screenshots.
Personally I think it's nice to have them, even for text-tools and similar. I guess I'm a visual kind of person. :)
Anyway, to motivate people that are adding screenshots, could we have a top list of which people added the most screenshots on the statistics page?
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Are we at Pouet? |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1727 |
Quote: Are we at Pouet?
No..... Is this a trick question? |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: No..... Is this a trick question?
Because there, there is a run for points and don't think this would only cause good things... |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1727 |
Quote: Because there, there is a run for points and don't think this would only cause good things...
I think people get a lot of motivation adding stuff to csdb when they see others do the same. I know I do.
As an example, today I added a bunch of Michael Winterberg stuff. Zyron obviously got inspired to fill in with what he'd got (which was basically everything :). I filled in his additions with screen shots.
Zyron may ofcourse disagree with my hypothesis, in which case I appologize. :)
I agree bad things can happen if everything is motivated by top lists, but I believe this has more to do with the culture around the particular site.
It seems that the csdb crowd is fairly homogenous and try to acheive the same goal which is building an accurate database, atleast in my vision.
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Quote:As an example, today I added a bunch of Michael Winterberg stuff. Zyron obviously got inspired to fill in with what he'd got (which was basically everything :). I filled in his additions with screen shots.
Zyron may ofcourse disagree with my hypothesis, in which case I appologize. :)
That's exactly how it was, the hypothesis works :) |
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Sledge
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 102 |
I agree totally. It's fun to contribute with stuff when you see that others do the same! |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 717 |
I hate that points idea. It's exactly the same as counting who has added the most entries. Stopid people will start adding empty entries just to get sub-famous.
The same shit happened after this years LCP! I checked csdb on the following monday, and all demos were already added :), but totally empty :(.
So why count added void?
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: I hate that points idea. It's exactly the same as counting who has added the most entries. Stopid people will start adding empty entries just to get sub-famous.
The same shit happened after this years LCP! I checked csdb on the following monday, and all demos were already added :), but totally empty :(.
So why count added void?
Exactly. Incomplete entries or entries with invalid information would raise in CSDb? :( |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: I think people get a lot of motivation adding stuff to csdb when they see others do the same. I know I do.
As an example, today I added a bunch of Michael Winterberg stuff. Zyron obviously got inspired to fill in with what he'd got (which was basically everything :). I filled in his additions with screen shots.
Zyron may ofcourse disagree with my hypothesis, in which case I appologize. :)
I agree bad things can happen if everything is motivated by top lists, but I believe this has more to do with the culture around the particular site.
It seems that the csdb crowd is fairly homogenous and try to acheive the same goal which is building an accurate database, atleast in my vision.
Screenshots: There are hell lot entries who were created by people who have no idea how to make a screenshot. a tiny thing which is ugly and if you click to zoom it it gets more ugly, such people should get punished. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Death to screenshot mutilators, exactly!
I mean, really, what's the point in resizing the emulator screenshots to the thumbnail size? |
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CyberBrain
Administrator
Posts: 392 |
Quote: Screenshots: There are hell lot entries who were created by people who have no idea how to make a screenshot. a tiny thing which is ugly and if you click to zoom it it gets more ugly, such people should get punished.
I think releases like that are mostly additions from beyond the birth of time, where CSDb only supported one screenshot size |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: I think releases like that are mostly additions from beyond the birth of time, where CSDb only supported one screenshot size
Yep - I know most of the Focus demos still have the 'small' size, because that was the only possibility back then. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Ok, I take back the death verdict in that case. ;-) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1727 |
Quote: I hate that points idea. It's exactly the same as counting who has added the most entries. Stopid people will start adding empty entries just to get sub-famous.
The same shit happened after this years LCP! I checked csdb on the following monday, and all demos were already added :), but totally empty :(.
So why count added void?
Don't count the void. Count the content. e.g: the actual release binary, the screenshot etc...
One complication here is that csdb is used for two different purposes.
1. Contemporary releases.
2. Scene history.
I'm personally mostly interested in the scene history, although I enjoy the new stuff aswell.
I think number 2 will benefit the most from top lists, and with only a minor risk of people just adding stuff for points.
The stuff is already there just waiting to get added!
For number 1 the risk is probably a bit higher. You can invent an arbitrary number of non-existant releases just for points. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1727 |
Quote: Screenshots: There are hell lot entries who were created by people who have no idea how to make a screenshot. a tiny thing which is ugly and if you click to zoom it it gets more ugly, such people should get punished.
The real problem is often that the release is locked so it can't be fixed!
There are quite a few locked releases with incomplete info, missing screenshots and such. (though credits for a release can be changed anyway :) ) |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
I hate locked incomplete entries. The best would be if it wasn't possible to lock an entry unless you've uploaded a file & a screenshot. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: I think releases like that are mostly additions from beyond the birth of time, where CSDb only supported one screenshot size
That should be no reason to not replace them _now_! :) |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: The real problem is often that the release is locked so it can't be fixed!
There are quite a few locked releases with incomplete info, missing screenshots and such. (though credits for a release can be changed anyway :) )
But people like me can :) if anybody would send me email and attach the missing files :) |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: I hate locked incomplete entries. The best would be if it wasn't possible to lock an entry unless you've uploaded a file & a screenshot.
but in case of e.g. some groups, some people added wrong info when it wasn't locked. |
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CyberBrain
Administrator
Posts: 392 |
Quote: I hate locked incomplete entries. The best would be if it wasn't possible to lock an entry unless you've uploaded a file & a screenshot.
...and *atleast* one credit. :) But maybe it would be better if you had to write a (damn good) reason for locking something, and if the reason wasn't good enough or the record seems incomplete the request would be rejected. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: ...and *atleast* one credit. :) But maybe it would be better if you had to write a (damn good) reason for locking something, and if the reason wasn't good enough or the record seems incomplete the request would be rejected.
I locked my own group entries :)
*good reason* O:-) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1727 |
Quote: ...and *atleast* one credit. :) But maybe it would be better if you had to write a (damn good) reason for locking something, and if the reason wasn't good enough or the record seems incomplete the request would be rejected.
Or maybe only locking possible for releases made in recent years? There are cracks from 1984 that I can't add screen shots to because of locking. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: Or maybe only locking possible for releases made in recent years? There are cracks from 1984 that I can't add screen shots to because of locking.
Like I said, somebody could send me the files, I would add them :) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1727 |
Quote: but in case of e.g. some groups, some people added wrong info when it wasn't locked.
If this was done with good intent it should be discussed and resolved in the forum.
If it was done with malicious intent the submitter should ofcourse be banned.
Maybe only moderators should be able to lock/unlock entries? |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: If this was done with good intent it should be discussed and resolved in the forum.
If it was done with malicious intent the submitter should ofcourse be banned.
Maybe only moderators should be able to lock/unlock entries?
I disagree: I suggest my way: My groups's entries are locked but I have added a member of us as mantainer, too |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1727 |
Quote: Like I said, somebody could send me the files, I would add them :)
Adding screenshot from the web interface is efficient, doing it by email is a pain. Thanks, but I haven't got the time. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: Adding screenshot from the web interface is efficient, doing it by email is a pain. Thanks, but I haven't got the time.
if it's only a couple and not 100, I do not see what the problem is :)
just id 28737373 = 37373.png or something :) better than crying |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1727 |
Quote: if it's only a couple and not 100, I do not see what the problem is :)
just id 28737373 = 37373.png or something :) better than crying
Ok, we'll wipe our floods of tears and start mailing you.
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: I think releases like that are mostly additions from beyond the birth of time, where CSDb only supported one screenshot size
That must be the reason why many recent releases still have crappy screenshots like latest Vandalism, right? ;) When did you support screenshot zooming, September, 2005? :D
Oh come on... |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
Quote: Exactly. Incomplete entries or entries with invalid information would raise in CSDb? :(
do you think that pouet with its run for points has a bigger problem than csdb with incomplete entries, missing download links and such ? |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: do you think that pouet with its run for points has a bigger problem than csdb with incomplete entries, missing download links and such ?
I just said, I fear it could happen. That's all I said.
I am no Pouet.net freak. |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 241 |
Hey
Well, some years ago - when I was studying economics, I didn´t like statistics, so I dropped out ;-) Anyway, but here at CSDb I think the statistics under Fun Stuff is quite funny, so like TLR, Sledge, Zyron etc. I also think that the points in here is nice, and hopefully they´re not only funny, but can also motivate a little, so even more people start too add a little more in here to this database. Some people in here only adds information etc. for their own group(s), but if these points in here could just motivate a few also to care and add information about other old groups/persons/releases from the past, then I think, there are many benefits with the points.. So they should not be removed!
I started a topic called The Historie Of C64-Scene - A Never Ending Story! back in early 2004 (link: The Historie Of C64-Scene - A Never Ending Story! ), but I got no response at all. What I wanted back then , was to divide / split up some of the statistics, so the uploaders of wares didn´t get points at the same place as the normal active submitters, who didn´t upload anything, but were (only) submitting information.. Back then I didn´t think, that it shoud be mixed, as some people were just uploading wares without thinking about adding all old groups, sceners etc
Anyway, that´s probably not a problem anymore, as I guess most groups/persons have already been added to CSDd by now.
Hmm, all in all eeehh, I guess what I´m trying to say here in the middle of the night, is that I wouldn´t mind if there were even more statistics, and I find them funny and good. Points for screenshots would also be nice, I think, but I don´t really care that much about this one. And of course I don´t add information in here because of the points. As writing in The Historie Of C64-Scene - A Never Ending Story! back then, I had not even discovered "Misc. Statistics in here before, I had added lots of groups and persons to CSDb. I added all the information because of the history and not the points at all! BUT!!! I do remember, that I thought it was a great idea, when I finally discovered it, because I knew, I would keep on helping getting CSDb better and better, and then I actually liked, that there was this point system..! ;-)
I do see the problem, that HCL refers to, about stupid persons that starts to add empty entries, but as far as I know, that´s not a big problem in here, and I don´t think, it would become a problem. They´re just making a fool of oneself by doing that.. And you know, today you can even see, who´s the creater of the information!
I´ve also used lots of time (and still do) correcting information here at CSDb at already added information, which are wrong or missing lots of details. I still find lots of releases, groups, persons where there are missing a hell lot of stuff. When correcting this you also don´t get any points at all, but - maybe - some points here, would actually help motivation people to help correcting all these things??? I don´t know
Also this would make the new TIMELINE (link: http://noname.c64.org/csdb/forums/?roomid=8&topicid=18000&showa..) (which I like) much much better. There would be a much better overview at this Timeline, if people tried to clear up, some of all the missing information. If you´re not sure about, when a person left a group, or when a release was actually released, then try to ask at CSDb or search for information in old mags, notes etc. (that´s what I´ve done, but it takes a hell lot of my time, and of course it´s not everybody, who wants to use (ehh, is crazy enough to use ;-), that much time in checking up old information in mags and notes, which is about 11-15 years old, *LOL* ------> ^^ ^^ But it IS a chance of getting a much better overview
(But it takes time!!)
Off to sleep!! A way too tired to write all this!
Regards, Dishy
*****Once A Scener - Always A Scener***** |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/viewpic.php?id=21495&zoom=1
this is an example that some people cannot do screenhots still, uploaded in tiny size, thenby click zoomed into crappy blocks.
and it's a recent entry! And many entries have blocky screenshots like this
Many people don't listen :( |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1727 |
Quote: http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/viewpic.php?id=21495&zoom=1
this is an example that some people cannot do screenhots still, uploaded in tiny size, thenby click zoomed into crappy blocks.
and it's a recent entry! And many entries have blocky screenshots like this
Many people don't listen :(
It is not tiny in size. It is blocky because it is a gif of an emulated TV-screen. The number of colors in this gif is not enough so it has to dither. Never use gifs, use pngs.
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: It is not tiny in size. It is blocky because it is a gif of an emulated TV-screen. The number of colors in this gif is not enough so it has to dither. Never use gifs, use pngs.
Oh, ok then! But then my hint: He could use local colour palette instead of global one. I do that for the SWO screenshots since a couple of issues, and it works :)
I still think they look kinda blocky at the linked example, hmm. So sorry for assuming incorrectly first, if so. |
