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2002-05-01 16:59

Mermaid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 335

Vic 20 category

I know the C128 discussion is already closed and it seems you found a "solution" by including the C128 and excluding the Vic 20 and +4/c16...but...

I was hoping you would reconsider adding Vic 20, C16 and +4

Unlike the Amiga, Playstation, Gameboy etc. these platforms all have some important things in common with the C64:

They are all 8bit 6502/6510 based computers designed by Commodore, and although not compatible with the c64 they do share the same disk format and can use many of the same peripherals...

Also, ALL my Vic 20 demos were coded on a C64 (well actually a C128D in C64 mode). How many Playstation, Amiga or Gameboy demos can you say the same about?

So please, give us the possibility to add the Vic 20 releases from the C64 group Dekadence, from the C64 group Creators, from the C64 group PU239, CNCD etc.

The C64 scene is small enough as it is, I think we can afford to embrace other 8 bit Commodore users as well.

.Mermaid.

2002-05-01 17:37

Warbaby
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 60

I second that notion!

2002-05-01 18:12

The MeatBall

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 366

A Vic-20/+4/C16 category (or three separate ones) would be nice yes, because as Mermaid says, those machines have more incommon with the C64 than the Amiga, psx etc.
Ofcourse we're talking about adding the odd release from a C-64 group, not Vic-20 only groups.

2002-05-01 18:40

Celtic
Administrator

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807

exceptions exceptions. I do not second this. Ofocurse i support other 8-bit. but then make yar own database. C128 has something to do with c64 but the other 8-bits are totally different computers. I support their scenes, and keep it up folks, but please, not here.

design yar own database, or contact perff and kilroy for the code of this one (dunno if they would give it)

/celtic

2002-05-02 14:05

Viktor
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 78

I think the same, Plus4 and Vc20, and C116 are relative close to the C64.

Viktor

2002-05-02 14:57

Shake

Posts: 133

why not bring up a poll (CSDB Survey) about this...

2002-05-04 11:59

Seven

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 201

okay, so it's Commodore 8bit machines, point taken.. but if we don't draw the line here it's going to become harder and harder...

the next will be Amiga (yes, it's no 8bit machine, but it was done by Commodore after all, so c'mon pals, let us at least add the Amiga releases of C64 groups) and Gameboy (yes, it's no Commodore machine, but the architecture is kinda close to the C64 and all, so please, why can't we add Gameboy releases by C64 groups)

... and so on... and on... and on...

2002-05-04 12:20

Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510

That's again polemic, I wonder where your hard attitude comes from, Seven. This database is not the wholy catholic church that has to be protected against evil outside influences.
Again, don't forget that we're talking about aproximately 20-30 releases in comparison to the 3.500 genuine C64 releases we already have here. And it's still a long way from the VIC20 or the Plus/4 to the Amiga or the Gameboy, nobody would really dare to ask for that. ;-)
And it's also quite ridiculous to open up a new database just for the above mentioned computers, you could sum up all the releases on a single webpage.
Anyway, Mermaid, you have my vote. But I'd also appreciate a poll about that topic.

2002-05-05 17:01

Commander
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 106

Mermaid has also my vote!

2002-05-07 14:41

Mermaid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 335

Seven:

-Does the Amiga/Gameboy use a 6502 or compatible CPU?
-Does the Amiga/Gameboy boot with a CBM basic screen?
-Was the Amiga/Gameboy DESIGNED by Commodore?
-Can you code on the Amiga/Gameboy without loading any software first?
-Does the Amiga/Gameboy scene consist 100% of C64 sceners?
-Can the Amiga/Gameboy use a 1541 drive without loading any software first and with just the cables that came with the drive?
-Is it really so dangerous, adding a few Vic 20 demos?

No, no, no, no, no, no, and no.

I don't think you need worry about anyone asking for the possibility to add Amiga or Gameboy releases to the database.

As for opening a new database, I fully agree with Steppe. Vic 20 sceners are modest and open minded, I'm sure they won't mind sharing a database with their brothers and sisters in the C64 scene...

As for evil outside influences, I thought we were evil INSIDE influences, since most (all?) Vic sceners are also C64 sceners.. ;-)

.Mermaid.

2002-05-07 18:57

T.M.R
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749

As far as i'm concerned, the other Commodore 8bits are part of the C64 scene's heritage. The Plus/4 and it's brethren are already covered quite well on the web but the VIC, like the C128, doesn't have much support and no active database of it's own.

The VIC shares a lot with the C64, technologically it's the forerunner to the Breadbin and is even similar to code on (Jeff Minter, like Mermaid, coded his later VIC games on a C64) and a fair few sceners started out on the VIC (me and Odie included, a *very* long time ago).

What's more (as has already been mentioned) the VIC shares sceners; everybody releasing VIC demos now are also C64 sceners and releasing C64 demos (4-Mat has been playing with the VIC recently as well, there may well be more to come...!)

If it comes down to worries about "diluting the purity" of the database, i can't see 20 or so releases doing that...?

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