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Fuck the Scene   [2008]

Fuck the Scene Released by :
Warriors of the Wasteland [web]

Release Date :
11 November 2008

Type :
C64 Demo

Released At :
Syntax 2008

Achievements :
C64 Demo Competition at Syntax 2008 :  #3

User rating:********__  7.7/10 (22 votes)   See votestatistics
********__  7.6/10 (11 votes) - Public votes only.

Credits :
Code .... A Life in Hell of Warriors of the Wasteland
Music .... A Life in Hell of Warriors of the Wasteland
Graphics .... A Life in Hell of Warriors of the Wasteland
  Bundy of Warriors of the Wasteland
Charset .... Bud of Atlanta, Warriors of the Wasteland

SIDs used in this release :
Enhanced Archnial(/MUSICIANS/J/Julian_Jaymz/Enhanced_Archnial.sid)

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User Comment
Submitted by Cruzer on 2 April 2023
Has its moments.
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Submitted by spider-j on 24 December 2012
Interesting demo :-) I like the music and the overall mood of the demo.
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Submitted by Joe on 13 August 2010
I think we reviewed this once? No?
Much disturbing interlace, but the multiple-bitmap mover and double-color plasma at the end survived.

Would be great for another round up at this years Syntax from the creator for sure!
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Submitted by Wile Coyote on 13 August 2010
The quite liked the tune.
The Turn Disk part the photo real image was really impressive.
There was something about it that reminded of the Amiga HAM mode.
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Submitted by plagueis on 21 December 2009
It watched this a long time ago...shortly after it was released. I just watched it again. I was blown away by the FPP multi scroller effect!!! Simply Splendid!!!!
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Submitted by Nightlord on 25 December 2008
the title resonates with me sooo much :)

finally someone is brave enough to try some more modern gfx techniques on c64. I personally don't give a fuck about the interlace mode being ugly. it's time that someone freaking tried environmental mapping. The thing is this kind of aproach opens way for improvements. People will eventually optimize these efeects until they eventually are implemented in higher and higher resolutions.

Some very good coding in this demo. Great job ALIH.

And yes I read the note too.
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Submitted by Krill on 29 November 2008
Interesting uniquely styled demo, with good code and true data vibe :)
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Submitted by grennouille on 20 November 2008
I'm so sad today. This fantastic demo does not work on my NTSC C64 :-(
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Submitted by SIDWAVE on 18 November 2008
My 2nd comment:

Hardcore coding!
Shit gfx
Shit msx

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Submitted by A Life in Hell on 18 November 2008
On the interlaced 4x4 mode: so I won't be using that again, I guess :). no matter :). I have a new idea for a chunky mode without it.

@kbuzi: I didn't have time to make an elephant model, and could not find one of the right number of dots. next time :)

@Testa: Yeah, I forgot to disable the space check. oops!

@Steppe: Soon, probably around xmas I'll clean it up for release. That's a long story in of itself :). Need to make the c64 side requiremens less... wierd first!

@hcl: Absolutely, as I mentioned in the scroller and the note, your dots are superior :). I only saw EoD a few days before the party - also, I didn't know how many cycles my own dots were, let alone yours :) (i can't count cycles for shit, and i can't read other people's code :)). Trurh be told, had I seen eod before i coded this, i probably wouldn't have bothered. But I don't think anyone would seriously claim otherwise!
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Submitted by Edhellon on 17 November 2008
I somehow really like it. The plasma & the turn disc pic are simply beautiful and I dig the unique style. It's not easy to do a good demo in this style even on PC, but ALIH pulled it off quite well I think.
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Submitted by Optimus on 17 November 2008
Those fucked up renderings don't look as good in the emulator as in youtube (Oops,. ok I am gonna see it in the real thing as long as I get a new working transfer cable :P). The 3d dots are cool even if not as accurate as others. The plasma and rotozoomer cool. I like the sad music and the title of the demo :P
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Submitted by FATFrost on 17 November 2008
F*ck! that last part plasma thing is AWESOME! i can't stop watching it! This demo reminds me of the game TUSARI or summat like that... don't ask why
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Submitted by HCL on 16 November 2008
:( Those plotters are not at all faster than the ones in EoD, The duck with plain non-mirrored plotts is in fact slower than mine.. (59 vs 58 cycles/plott), the mirrored one seems exactly the same (45 cycles/plott). ALIH just uses *very* low accuracy in the calculations, low-end music and of course no sprites or other time-wasting design elements.

Sorry, did i sound like a bitch right now? ;).

Those vectors are.. different, but i like those HiresIFLI pictures :).
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Submitted by linde on 14 November 2008
Glitchy and crude. In a great way of course.
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Submitted by Steppe on 14 November 2008
A lot of innovative approaches in this one, unfortunately the target machine is heavily overstrained with the given tasks.
I liked the relaxed music and also these Truecolor Trip pictures just look AMAZING. Why don't you publish that tool, alih? On the whole not a demo that'll make it into my diskbox of demo gems, but nothing to start laughing about either. Keep up innovating, and maybe next time leave away a bit of the flick0r horr0r. ;-)
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Submitted by Kickback on 11 November 2008
WOW!! Thats all I can say mate! Anyone who says this sucks needs to tip back a few more and get in the spirit of things. No serious tho, the demo was good alot of great things in this. Now the graphics? Some of those screen are bit rough and I was actually wondering if it was emulator fucking up or if my eyes was just failing me over the years. I think thats the effect that Alih was going for AND achieved!
Great job and ofcourse, "normal is boring!"
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Submitted by DjS on 11 November 2008
Gritty is pretty! Or should I say Shitty is pretty? Either way I found the demo to be most interesting to say the least!
The music doesn't fit the grittyness though.. Some SID breakcore and faster transitions would be more suitable
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Submitted by SplAtterpunk on 11 November 2008
I have to watch it again on real C64, but anyway, I was expecting something more after all these comments...
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Submitted by Shadow on 11 November 2008
This demo really gives me mixed emotions! One the one hand, it is butt ugly (sorry) but on the other hand, there is some really, really good code in the bottom of it all!
With a bit of design, I think this could have been a top demo.
But I can understand that sometimes you run out of time/you simply don't feel like it/other circumstances come in way of doing all that final polish (I did read the note as well :D)
Still, I think I would have liked it better with a more traditional no-design approach (ie. black screen, effect in one of the traditional three-color-ramps etc.) than the utterly weird design and color-combinations.
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Submitted by Ed on 11 November 2008
Nice end screen and some pretty interesting results with the color-combinations throughout the demo.
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Submitted by yago on 11 November 2008
ALIH is back, with a slap at all sceners!

Welcome back, 275 dots duck!

Edit: Thats one of the most cool plasmas i have ever seen, simple idea or not :-)
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Submitted by Style on 11 November 2008
Im reserving judgement until I watch it on the real thing :) the lacing is just unwatchable on vice....
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Submitted by Burglar on 11 November 2008
normal is boring
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Submitted by der_ton on 11 November 2008
Laugh at me, but I liked watching this on PC with Vice in 200% speed, on fullscreen 100 Hz CRT monitor. That's great for interlaced stuff and this demo has quite a lot of that. Even the music sounds still good in twice the speed.

To be perfectly clear, this is a great demo in its original speed nevertheless. Only the 3D stuff, while technically impressive, could be more beautiful... I'm hoping for a sequel, "Fuck the Scene, a little deeper" or something like that. :)
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Submitted by SIDWAVE on 11 November 2008
the demo is so horrible, that i resetted after a pic with a map and some rotating textured stuff..

And yes, ALIH, i have read the note! :-)
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Submitted by grennouille on 10 November 2008
Works well with Vice 1.1 with true drive emulation. This demo is GREAT!!! Wow!
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Submitted by Testa on 10 November 2008
cool demo with nice effects, did i see a face in the plasma part right after the fuck the scene picture or did i smoke too much weed today?.. also the 'one nibble trick and look' for some of the plasmas is clever.. you can calculate a lot faster now and it looks cool too but why are some of the effects so slow (the vector cube)... almost forgot to say, the music is very good.. with a headphone i really forget every thing around me...

well i had fun watching this demo.. it seems the x2008 vibe is still going on

2 little notes.
before the demos starts i get a screen with grab..
when i hit space i get a cpu jam in vice.... (latest version)
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Submitted by Twoflower on 10 November 2008
A very nice, horrible little demo. I kind of like the interlaced stuff, love the music and didn't like any of the graphics save for the flip disk one, which feels fresh and converted. The sort of non-transitions, constant black background and the total refusal of any kind of design is kind of revolting, but I doubt the demo would have been existant in any other form. I get nausea and strong schizophrenic vibes by this, and I somehow can't help feeling like it is intentional. Can't understand why anybody haven't picked up the interlace hires/afli idea before? I have read the note. Nice work, ALiH.
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Submitted by Scout on 10 November 2008
So this is the edge of disgrace everybody's talking about?
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Submitted by ice00 on 10 November 2008
I speak only for music: for me it is fantastic. Listen for hours. Well done.
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Submitted by booker on 10 November 2008
Well, the innovatiove blox-something mode works wery nice in Vice 'warp mode'. Stop complaining. :)
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Submitted by goto80 on 10 November 2008
this is the best demo i have seen in ages. 30000 thumbs up from me. fuck the world!
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Submitted by Radiant on 10 November 2008
Well, everyone's already said everything about the awfulness of the interlaced blocky mode and the equal awesomeness of the interlaced AFLI, so I'll leave it at that.

This demo is severely unpolished and full of bugs and glitches, but I just love the feeling of pure data that's emanating from it! I think alih is one of the most innovative C64 coders today, I love his style and I'm always glad to check out new stuff from him. The FLI + FPP part is excellent, as is the plasma. And of course people still read the notefiles, they're always a nice bonus with any release. :-)
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Submitted by Tom-Cat on 10 November 2008
Whats with the interlaced blocky effects? They look truly awfull - and I saw it on a real c64. What rescues it is the "Flip the disk" picture - looks like HAM interlaced mode on amiga. :)
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Submitted by assiduous on 10 November 2008
first watched in Hoxs64,then gave it a shot on a real C64,no big difference,the interlaced stuff still looks awful to me. maybe it doesnt like S-video:)
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Submitted by CreaMD on 10 November 2008
I have read the note... watched this in emu.. I need to check this on normal C64 color monitor to be sure if all that 3d rotating stuff is still so ugly as in vice. The 3d math stuff would be probably fantastic even in such a weird mode if it was faster (on SCPU or something). With this slow movement it lacked the WOW factor for me (pun intended ;-).

The photorealistic PIC is probably the highlight of the demo. Music is a bit boring. Btw. I perfectly understand your feelings. I experienced similar difficulties with (technically) much worse demo done by us (Studio Style) in 1995 and I was really glad that I could at least make it work with all of the off-screen loader time kicked out because of some bug. I wasted whole night before the party without actually going to sleep at all. Demo is slow loading but it's out. And that's important. It's important to finish things and put them out. Throw away the pressure and rather move on with new stuff. That's what I reccomend you. This one isn't completely bad. It shows that you have some potential. Next time (if there will ever be next time) leave music and gfx on someone else while you concentrate coding. You seem to be very quite good at it.
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Submitted by G-Fellow on 10 November 2008
I like it so far, yes the blocky things looks not so good on WinVice, have to check this also on the real thing, i did press Space in the "WOW!" part where the 3D Objects are, than the demo crashed, i guess i had to put the second part in the disk drive? I check this later, the music have some false notes ( Linus would say ;-) But i go like Zyron and say that this tune has false notes in a good way of it :D I give later a voting when i did see all stuff. Not bad work ALIH, send me a e-mail or contact me in ICQ, Jazzcat has my number!!! I can make a tune next time if you wish :-))
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Submitted by Frantic on 10 November 2008
I like it! The kind of demo that makes you inspired, rather than start yawning.

The plasma in the end was VERY nice btw!
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Submitted by Sorex on 10 November 2008
According to Alih those wicked lace modes look a lot better on a real machine, VICE seems to be a bit slow on them or something.

Also the routines run a lot faster than the previews I saw a few months ago, there you could only recognize thing running vice in Warp mode :)

Good job on that one Alih!
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Submitted by Sander on 10 November 2008
Some visually interesting things going on there! The girl on the flip disk part is the closest to photorealism i've ever seen on a c64. And i'm not so sure i dislike the blocky effects, the colors make up for a lot - feels fresh.
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Submitted by Mace on 10 November 2008
Added a screendump.
WTF are those flickering blocky parts?
Is that a WinVICE bug or was that meant to be?
The rest is rather nice, actually. I like the way those interlaced pictures work and the plasma is outrageous.

[edit]Later I also read the note ;)[/edit]
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Submitted by Oswald on 10 November 2008
I like the code in this. tho those interlaced screens are terrible :) please make it simple 4x4 kill the bugs, and you have a fan :) also I have read the note! ;)

edit: btw the colors in the turn disk picture look freakingly good.
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Submitted by assiduous on 10 November 2008
some concepts work,some others dont. this interlaced video mode does NOT work. i dont mind a bad design or long loading times but the flicker bugs in both of the plot parts are disturbing and should have been fixed. there are afew effects that are quite ok though. ah btw i read the note.
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Submitted by Yazoo on 10 November 2008
horrible music, some nice looking + some ugly looking parts + good code
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Submitted by Ksubi on 10 November 2008
Love the plasma (?) at the end! Expected a rotating elephant somewhere though :) Nice work, refreshing in many ways.
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Submitted by Skate on 10 November 2008
I must admit I liked some parts. But the rest is like a joketro.
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Submitted by Matt on 10 November 2008
nice to see another new WOW production. it's kinda weird but I luv it!
thumbs up alih!
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Submitted by The Phantom on 10 November 2008
I'd have to agree with Groepaz. Thought something was wrong from the get go. Good coding.. Just curious.. How drunk were you when doing this?
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Submitted by Groepaz on 10 November 2008
mmmmh. some very ugly good code in there =P seriously, wtf?
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Submitted by j0x on 10 November 2008
Yay! So you didn't use the name I proposed? :)

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