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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Event id #3201 : Crack Intro Music Competition 2022
As long years have passed since the last time, getting officially blessed by Didi/Laxity, I have a great pleasure to launch another edition of Crack Intro Music Competition. Get acquainted with the rules below and let's go!
Basic Info:
- Deadline for entry submission is August 14, 2022 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm).
- Voting closes one week later at August 21, 2022 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm).
- Voting platform is CSDb but eventually votes will be processed with a trusty algorithm to weed out CSDb vigilantes as much as possible. No voting system is perfect but god knows I really tried :D
- As usual the main prize is CSDb fame and prestige but this time Top 10 entries will also be compiled as a nice oldschool cracktro themed music disk.
Rules:
- Multiple entries per musician are allowed - no limit here, go with the flow!
- Entry must be handed in as executable .prg (which might be embedded in .t64 or .d64) and optionally .sid. Preferably both ;)
- Max. playtime is strictly up to 1:02 min. at PAL rate, then tune must loop to any desired point. These 2 seconds extra are really the last resort so don't push it ;)
- Max. size is $1000/4096 bytes for music routine and content (preferably located in memory at $1000-$2000).
- Single speed only.
- Tune should sound as acceptable as possible on all SID models so pay attention to filtering and usage of combined waveforms ($31, $61, $71 won't work well on 6581). That said, you may set any SID model you prefer in .sid file but be sure some curious people will check it on various revisions ;)
- Music entries cannot be used in any cracktro or similar production before or during the compo (and its voting phase). So, dear crackers, hold your horses this time ;)
- This time no regular covers are allowed at all. Contestants might make at most a delicate nod to some cult cracktro theme.
- Visuals should be as modest as possible, not to distract voters from the essence which is audio content.
Rule set might expand if compo related discussion leads to it. I hope not :D
Good luck and have fun! |
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DeMOSic
Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 126 |
Ooooooh yeah! Awesome! |
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Flotsam
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 84 |
Uh, intro tunes. Among all modern multispeed tunes, demo tunes, game tunes and whatnot, intro tunes are still the king. Can't wait to lay my ears on these. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2203 |
Quoting Jammerofficially blessed by Didi/Laxity
Then nothing should go wrong! \o/ |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
And we already have the first contestant!
Most Wanted Crack |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 518 |
compo! \o/ |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2203 |
Jambot cleaning his hard drive of all unused short loops :D |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
TheRyk: LOLz! :D |
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scythoior
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 8 |
Awesome! Guess I have to rethink my procrastination strategy... |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 485 |
Entries flowing in as if you had been hoarding them waiting for the kickoff. ;-) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Yep, 14 gems inside already! Voters don't keep up with it yet, though :D
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DeMOSic
Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 126 |
Quote: Yep, 14 gems inside already! Voters don't keep up with it yet, though :D
More's coming ;) |
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vincenzo
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 82 |
Without any further comments, here's one from me too: Cracked Down |
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vincenzo
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 82 |
Quote @Flex:
"Holy cow! How do you make a difference when 10/10 seems to be the default... :-D"
Uhm, yeah. Agreed. The quality of submitted tracks is insane. This seems to be the tendency at demoparties too, just think about last years' Transmission parties (both), Revision, Gubbdata and Moonshine Dragons too. I bow to you, SID musicians, thank you for being active and creating tasty SID music <3 |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
25 tunes already in! \o/ |
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DeMOSic
Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 126 |
Quote: 25 tunes already in! \o/
Its crazy! And i'm gonna be BLASTING out tunes! |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 485 |
A lot of tunes in already, but quite a bunch I'd say "topic missed" even if technical execution may be good. I have coded a lot of crack intros yet and checked though all entries until now. There are very few I could imagine building a crack intro upon. Sorry if I spoil the hooray spirit... maybe my imagination is just too limited...
Well, just go on and have fun that's the prime directive here... ;-) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Maybe you're thinking with cliches a bit ;) I'm sure 'crackiness' will reflect in votes ;) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2203 |
Sure, everyone's got their taste and I also wouldn't do a cracktro with each and every tune just because it's short or eats litle RAM/raster time. But
Quoting Didi... very few I could imagine building a crack intro upon. ...
VERY? seems a little big, maybe you just lack imagination :)
But as Jammer sez, punish uncracklike stuff by heavily downvoting it (with 8s and 9s, they are the new 2s and 1s, you know) |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1407 |
Quoting TheRyk(with 8s and 9s, they are the new 2s and 1s, you know)
Ahahaha too true. People really do need to be less afraid to throw around sixes and sevens, and god forbid anyone votes 5 for something that they don't like as much as ten other entries in the same compo. |
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MCM
Registered: Apr 2018
Posts: 21 |
what a great compo so far.... new short sids for new intros !!i gonna use some of them for sure !! ;)= |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Quoting MCMwhat a great compo so far.... new short sids for new intros !!i gonna use some of them for sure !! ;)=
Cool! Just wait till whole compo ends, plz ;) |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 485 |
I presume ICC 2023 will happen to the end of the year. Perfect opportunity to use some of them. ;-) |
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Mibri
Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 213 |
Personal entrant wishlist:
dalezy
Hate Bush
Laxity
Toggle |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Quote: Personal entrant wishlist:
dalezy
Hate Bush
Laxity
Toggle
What Mibri said <3 And not only ;) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2203 |
Quoting Jammer
Cool! Just wait till whole compo ends, plz ;)
Can't promise that!
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DeMOSic
Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 126 |
Quote: Quoting MCMwhat a great compo so far.... new short sids for new intros !!i gonna use some of them for sure !! ;)=
Cool! Just wait till whole compo ends, plz ;)
once the compo ends there will be like 200,4 tunes to pick ;) |
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F7sus4
Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 117 |
Personal entrant wishlist:
Jammer
I mean, seeing just 3 pieces from Kamil in each single compo/party/whatever already feels like the work is not yet done. ;-) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2203 |
Quoting JammerQuoting MCMwhat a great compo so far.... new short sids for new intros !!i gonna use some of them for sure !! ;)=
Cool! Just wait till whole compo ends, plz ;)
As I just have noticed, this is not just a kind request but even a compo _rule_, I can only say, it's plain stupid and very unlike any other CSDb standalone competitions. Normally, it is: Has not been released/used before entering the compo +++ PERIOD +++. Once it's out there, how can you stop people from using it. In fact, someone could even sabotage other people's entries by releasing some cheap fake release with their music before voting has closed. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
That's kind of legacy after previous editions - maybe it's going to disappear next time, who knows :D |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3180 |
TheRyk: infact it's already happened
Exterminator
uses Fission by Jammer, the sole existence of this lame crack could put the sid out of compo. Damn idiots never miss an occasion to show they are dumb as fuck. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Same case was 5 years ago and then I seriously considered withdrawing my entry because of that shit. We'll probably ignore block on such cracktros during the compo and next time it will be phrased smarter. |
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Frostbyte
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 180 |
My 2p: Any rule that cannot be enforced by the entrants themselves cannot be a rule. More of a kind request to the rest of the scene, at best. But this also implies that a random scener who likes the tune and wants to use it in their prod would somehow know to read the rules and wishes of a compo the tune happened to be released in, which they probably won't. |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 436 |
Quote: My 2p: Any rule that cannot be enforced by the entrants themselves cannot be a rule. More of a kind request to the rest of the scene, at best. But this also implies that a random scener who likes the tune and wants to use it in their prod would somehow know to read the rules and wishes of a compo the tune happened to be released in, which they probably won't.
What this guy said! This is no party-compo but online. If some of these infamous peeps here releases a music-collection he can abandon the competition as a whole, go for it :-D |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2953 |
Why does this rule exist in the first place? What's the rationale? |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
@Krill: LOLz! :D
50 entries already in! \o/ |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11327 |
The idea that you can post stuff online and then ppl will not use it because of some compo rule is funny :)
Indeed makes you wonder why noone released a collection yet :=) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2953 |
Quoting Jammer@Krill: LOLz! :D Quoting GroepazIndeed makes you wonder why noone released a collection yet :=) Maybe that's his plan! Some kind of reverse psychology or so. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11327 |
It worked for Ambercow =D |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Quoting GroepazIndeed makes you wonder why noone released a collection yet :=)
Quoting Jammer- As usual the main prize is CSDb fame and prestige but this time Top 10 entries will also be compiled as a nice oldschool cracktro themed music disk. |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 424 |
Quote: I presume ICC 2023 will happen to the end of the year. Perfect opportunity to use some of them. ;-)
Yaaaas! |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
I added a release for the compo, but it does not show up in latest releases. Does anybody know why? I’m not the most frequent releasing person, so I may have stubled over my feet. :D |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
Oh never mind. It just did. Apparently just takes a bit of time or something magic. :D |
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Weemzy
Registered: Apr 2021
Posts: 12 |
Is this compo going for the record of most entries in a compo ever? We're already at 59 entries and only half way through, another two weeks to go! :) |
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DeMOSic
Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 126 |
Quote: Is this compo going for the record of most entries in a compo ever? We're already at 59 entries and only half way through, another two weeks to go! :)
Well, i for sure hope so! And by the pace this is going i wouldnt be suprised if this Compo Reaches the record next week! |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Nah, I suppose it won't beat the count from 2013 and 2017 edition. Most probable scenario is slower rate in nearest week and speedup before the deadline. Or maybe I'm wrong? ;) |
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Weemzy
Registered: Apr 2021
Posts: 12 |
That would be 85 or so entries then. I think we will beat it lol. |
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DeMOSic
Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 126 |
Quote: Nah, I suppose it won't beat the count from 2013 and 2017 edition. Most probable scenario is slower rate in nearest week and speedup before the deadline. Or maybe I'm wrong? ;)
Yeah maybe next week alot of releases pull up! |
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Weemzy
Registered: Apr 2021
Posts: 12 |
Am I reading the info right on Deepsid? Jammer - according to Deepsid you've been making SIDs since you were 10 years old in 1993? :o If so, WOW! |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Quoting Chris WemyssAm I reading the info right on Deepsid? Jammer - according to Deepsid you've been making SIDs since you were 10 years old in 1993? :o If so, WOW!
Yeah but with very long break. |
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mutetus
Registered: Dec 2020
Posts: 12 |
For some reason I jumped straight into mods when I was 10. I remember trying so hard to understand how to use the sid trackers, but with no luck :D |
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Frostbyte
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 180 |
Quoting JammerTop 10 entries will also be compiled as a nice oldschool cracktro themed music disk
IMHO there are so, so many great entries in this compo (and more just keeps on coming!) that it could we worth reconsidering the size of the music disk? Maybe Top 20? Or go wild: all top voted ones, as many as fits on a single disk side?
Preferably with a fully featured player too, with options to pick any tune from a list, ability to auto-advance and to loop (maybe even loop for X minutes until auto-advancing), random play, repeats etc. familiar features from The Real Music Players(tm) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 497 |
Top 10 would be a bit weird for a music collection when you think of the time restriction. It would be a 10 minutes music disk :-) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
TOP10 to make it selectable with 0-9 :D That's fixed already ;) And it will add some spice to whole event ;) |
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deetsay
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 43 |
Winner of the music compo compo 2022 |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
And we have magical 64 entries already <3
Last week for entries' submission! |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 620 |
Well done guys. Sadly I haven't been participating as I have been extremely busy with some of my main projects, etc. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Quoting RichardWell done guys. Sadly I haven't been participating as I have been extremely busy with some of my main projects, etc.
Still two days to go, don't give up! :) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Big thanks to all participants for submitting their gorgeous entries! <3 Now, it's time for...
*** VOTING PHASE ***
which ends August 21, 2022 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm).
I'd only like to remind that votes are collected from CSDb but eventually processed with custom formula which was already used during 25Hz and '83 compo. There are no arbitrary weights applied but votes are counted exponentially instead. So one vote counts as one, two votes count as four, four votes count as sixteen etc. If you wanna fair results - take your time to vote on every entry - the more the merrier ;)
Have fun!
BTW. Votepack and DeepSID playlist in the making ;) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 497 |
Quoting JammerIf you wanna fair results - take your time to vote on every entry - the more the merrier ;)
I'll try my best :-) Hard to keep track of your votes with that many tunes. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11327 |
Just downvote everything equally |
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Impetigo
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 30 |
Eggshell and Blu1min are not in the compo anymore without any notice? |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Quote: Eggshell and Blu1min are not in the compo anymore without any notice?
Eggshell turned out too big as a file which I sadly overlooked when it was the right time :( Archmage withdrew it on that basis. Blu1min was withdrawn by Adam due to his personal reasons. I thought both entries will remain flagged as out of compo but authors decided to make them compo unrelated which I absolutely respect.
Ok, here's voting pack:
https://easyupload.io/yivsfh
And DeepSID playlist:
http://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/!Crack%20Intro%20Music%20Com.. |
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DeMOSic
Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 126 |
I cant view the DeepSID playlist. it says personal playlist. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Quoting DeMOSicI cant view the DeepSID playlist. it says personal playlist.
Sorry, fixed ;)
http://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/$Crack%20Intro%20Music%20Com.. |
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Mibri
Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 213 |
Big thanks for the voting pack, really helpful. :)
I'll be voting on all entries except my own; I don't normally do CSDb voting at all but am happy to make an exception for the purposes of this compo. 68 entries... nice going everyone! |
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Frostbyte
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 180 |
Epic work, both you contestants and Jammer for preparing the voting pack. <3 I was going to do something productive tonight, but maybe I'll just listen to some sweet sid tunes instead... |
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Viralbox
Registered: Nov 2021
Posts: 15 |
I really liked Mythus' submission. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 497 |
Also voted on all* entries - I hope ... :-)
Sorry for my stupid comments. I try to somehow give at least personal feedback why I voted what number.
Love, peace and unicorns!
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*despite my own entry and Xinylights by The Syndrom which sounds like shit on sidplayfp** and I don't want to "downvote" anyone just because I don't have a real 6581 machine to compare.
**also what is really annoying is that 6581 tunes are much louder on my sidplayfp here compared to 8580 tunes. So it could be some kind of unwanted "digital distortion" going on there. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11327 |
The volume difference should be fixed in recent resid(fp) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Quoting spider-jSorry for my stupid comments. I try to somehow give at least personal feedback why I voted what number.
Your comments are exactly what brings colours to whole event! \:D/
From what I heard Xinylights sounds proper both on emulated 6581 (I have set something that would be averaged 6581 curve, I guess) and 8580 :) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 497 |
Quoting GroepazThe volume difference should be fixed in recent resid(fp)
Thanks for the hint. Don't know if my last (lib)sidplayfp build is from AUR or made by myself and in both cases: probably good to check if it's on par with upstream.
Quoting JammerFrom what I heard Xinylights sounds proper both on emulated 6581 (I have set something that would be averaged 6581 curve, I guess) and 8580 :)
Yeah, good idea to give it a try on 8580. I'm always unsure what to do with tunes that the creators themselves flagged as 6581 and do not sound good on any emulators I have here. In case of this compo "both SIDs" were a requirement anyway, so it seems that this is the way to go. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Quoting spider-jI'm always unsure what to do with tunes that the creators themselves flagged as 6581 and do not sound good on any emulators I have here. In case of this compo "both SIDs" were a requirement anyway, so it seems that this is the way to go.
Compatibility with old/new sid is important prerequisite but I haven't made it a subject for withdrawal as I cannot claim objectively what sounds right and according to author's attempts. Hence I prefer to leave it to the collective audience judgement. All in all, if you find anything sound shitty on certain config, it's perfectly normal to include it in your final vote. And it's as perfectly normal that we might disagree here :D |
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El Jefe
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 70 |
Quote: Quoting DeMOSicI cant view the DeepSID playlist. it says personal playlist.
Sorry, fixed ;)
http://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/$Crack%20Intro%20Music%20Com..
Thanx for the playlist @jammer! Makes listening to all the entries much easier given that it is a vast amount of songs!
Shocker/Onslaught |
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Frostbyte
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 180 |
There was so much perfectly loopable material here that instead of ~68 minutes it took a few hours to listen to and rank all entries. Extremely high quality stuff here. Something for every imaginable cracktro, from very oldschool to modern ones. Thank you for this, everyone. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Thanks guys! :D You skipped some, though ;) |
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theK
Registered: Oct 2020
Posts: 46 |
Thanks for the playlist!
I'll sit down tonight and do some honest voting! :-)
/K |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Last day and last chance to vote for your favourite cracktunes! Step right up, step right up! \o/ |
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The Syndrom
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 59 |
Quote: Also voted on all* entries - I hope ... :-)
Sorry for my stupid comments. I try to somehow give at least personal feedback why I voted what number.
Love, peace and unicorns!
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*despite my own entry and Xinylights by The Syndrom which sounds like shit on sidplayfp** and I don't want to "downvote" anyone just because I don't have a real 6581 machine to compare.
**also what is really annoying is that 6581 tunes are much louder on my sidplayfp here compared to 8580 tunes. So it could be some kind of unwanted "digital distortion" going on there.
Hi, I don't have any real machine here anymore, so the 6581 I had done Xinylights for was in emulator. I noticed that emulation on deepsid sounds a lot different.
I added a youtubelink for the emu-recording, it was intended to be heavily distorted on the low filterend.
https://youtu.be/hJwoT09NCaM |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11327 |
Someone give the man a C64! |
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The Syndrom
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 59 |
hah;-) I could easily buy one, but I don't have any space on my desks left... |
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Wisdom
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 90 |
I made my tune also in VICE (3.6.1) with 8580 emulation. It sounds a little different in SID players. The filter sweep does not sound right at all. I had no time left to test it on the real thing or on other emulators/players. Gotta live with that now. :-)
So, the intended "sound" for my tune is how it sounds inside VICE with 8580 emulation. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11327 |
Please *always* test against hardware. That it sounds different in another emulator means nothing. And if you find actual problems, please report a bug!
</rant> |
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Ghostrider
Administrator
Posts: 43 |
+1 on that - ALWAYS test on the real thing. If you don't have, visit someone who does. |
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Wisdom
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 90 |
Well, needless to say; life, available time, available hardware etc. All that matter as well. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 497 |
Quoting The SyndromI added a youtubelink for the emu-recording, it was intended to be heavily distorted on the low filterend.
https://youtu.be/hJwoT09NCaM
Yikes. I'll just ignore that you really wanted it so sound that broken and will vote for what I hear on a proper 8580 :-) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
And that's precisely why I haven't disqualified anything on filtering basis. IMHO that distortion works perfect but apparently not to everyone's liking. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
And here are the
RESULTS!
I'd like to thank all participants for their amazing entries, Booker for all the effort spent on voting backend, Didi for letting me use this noble brand and, finally, all the voters for their time <3
Cheers and see you at the next compo! And stay tuned for promised TOP10 release ;)
BTW, winner totally underserved, what a douche :( |
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booker
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334 |
Congrats everyone! Totally crazy amount of tunes! |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 940 |
Congrats to the winner and other participants for their hard work.
Thanks to Jammer for organising.
May I suggest to remove (or upscale) the 1 minute rule the next time? It makes it easier to arrange something, imo. Some speeds just don't work well, even with the extra 2 seconds slack. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
Minute limit was compo staple from the very beginning, I wouldn't go for any revolutions here. You can always do 2nd subtune with full idea ;) |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 940 |
Quote: Minute limit was compo staple from the very beginning, I wouldn't go for any revolutions here. You can always do 2nd subtune with full idea ;)
True, I can extend it for ICC 2022. |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
Thank you Jammer for an enjoyable compo, and for doing all the work in the background. It was amazing to hear so many takes on intro music, I honestly have a hard time picking out a favorite. |
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Shogoon
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 18 |
Thx to Jammer for organizing another great compo and congratulations to all participants - a lot of cool msx! <3 |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 345 |
Successful competition! Congrats@|| :D
I got again some new music for my daily playlist!
Thanks a lot! :) |
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vincenzo
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 82 |
Extreme amount of tunes on a extreme quality level. Great job everyone! Thank you for the votes, and thank you for organizing the compo Jammer. You truly didn't deserve to win :D |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1334 |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! <3 |
