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2017-11-27 12:05
MagerValp

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1056
HDMI upscaling on a budget

I love my CRT to death, but sometimes a more compact option is needed. Does anyone know of an HDMI upscaler that doesn't cost $400, outputs 50 Hz without artifacts or dropping frames, and shows aspect correct 4:3 with black bars on a 16:9 display? The $30 converters on eBay are crap. Specifically, has anyone tried these KanexPro converters? http://www.kanexpro.com/converters/composite/
 
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2017-12-16 09:44
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3035
Ok I have another very ignorant question.
I have 1920x1200 samsung tv/monitor with video input. I connected my C64 using scart and what I see on screen is sort of textured and blurry. It is usable for e.g. composing and playing, but I can't imagine doing pixelling om that. It doesn't look like sharp pixels, nor PAL.

How the Framemeister handles this? And how does retrotink does it? I wish I could use any PC monitor and have either clean sharp screen (as from emulator) or something that is capable of look like PAL screen (or both - switchable).

I have never seen output from this kind of convertors. So that's why I ask.
2017-12-16 10:00
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3035
Ok I checked the video (two guys talking about framemeister). It looks impressive. Hmmm. Now question is. Is Retrotink as good too? For ~1/3 of money?

I checked this video (c64 with retromeister). Ok now I get it I think. It's worth the mnoney it seems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cNk4FQ7aWQ
2017-12-17 19:47
Fix

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 54
Will be interesting if The RetroTink 2X is the shit...
2017-12-20 11:38
Deev

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206
Quote: Ok I checked the video (two guys talking about framemeister). It looks impressive. Hmmm. Now question is. Is Retrotink as good too? For ~1/3 of money?

I checked this video (c64 with retromeister). Ok now I get it I think. It's worth the mnoney it seems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cNk4FQ7aWQ


Taper wrote an article in Attitude which might also be useful.

http://www.cactus.jawnet.pl/attitude/?action=readtext&issue=15&..

I will maybe try and take some photos that show how it looks. It isn't perfect, because the C64's output isn't perfect, but it looks much better than going directly into my TV. It handles 50hz motion very well too, although that's not really something I can demonstrate.
2017-12-20 12:17
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3035
Why there is 2 times bigger price on amazon.de?

and which one should I buy?

https://solarisjapan.com/collections/micomsoft
2017-12-20 12:36
Dano

Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226
Quote: Why there is 2 times bigger price on amazon.de?

and which one should I buy?

https://solarisjapan.com/collections/micomsoft


They now sell the Framemeister with EU Delivery/Option, get that one. Will be less hassle with customs. And better get a english decal for the remote if you're not that good with japanese.. :D
2017-12-20 12:36
soci

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 473
Is Duty+VAT included?
2017-12-20 13:02
Dano

Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226
Quote: Is Duty+VAT included?

Special offer for European customers: Receive your XRGB Framemeister directly from within the EU and avoid all import fees and customs troubles. We wholeheartedly recommend this option to our customers in the EU:

    Guaranteed no arguing with customs inspections
    Guaranteed no additional import fees
    No shipping costs for express delivery
    You save up to 4000 yen compared to the import from Japan

This offer is only valid for shipping addresses in the EU.

The unit includes an international power adapter (Japanese plug), an RGB cable adapter and a remote control.



stated here:

https://solarisjapan.com/products/eu-tax-free-xrgb-mini-frameme..
2017-12-20 13:48
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3035
They have option there where you can choose price of the goods to avoid VAT. Also there is some price where it's a bit higher but still less than 600 EUR on german amazon.

Edit: Yeah as Dano said. I think it is the best option. Still awesome price.
2017-12-20 15:00
Dano

Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226
Quote: They have option there where you can choose price of the goods to avoid VAT. Also there is some price where it's a bit higher but still less than 600 EUR on german amazon.

Edit: Yeah as Dano said. I think it is the best option. Still awesome price.


The price really is annoying, but still the device offers a brilliant and so far flawless image. Weasel got one connected to his beamer and it's always a pleasure to look at. Way better than anything i saw until now (and i wish they used that one at Revision, as the c64 just looks horrible there..).

Would be nice to see some examples from that retrotink if that's worth the wait after all. Still i think the upscaling from that output may still yield some artifacts on beamers and tvs..
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