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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362 |
This is the Thread for everything NUFLI!
The Era of NUFLI has begun - Bye Bye Interlace!
So what do you guys think? 8)
btw. Until Bitbreaker decides the converter is fit for release, you may send me your pictures and I'll put them through it. No, I won't fix the bugs for you (been doing that for over a hundred hours in the recent months! <:-), you gotta learn your way around the editor eventually if you want that extra edge of perfection - But I will offer some advice on different approaches how to combat teh blockiness or teh color lack, i even prepared some tutorials I will post here later! ;-)
Please do keep in mind that even in NUFLI, you still only have 3 colors horizontally in every char -with one fixed for 6 chars- (5 or 6 in the FLIbug, but that's for all 3 chars!). Considering that IFLI has a maximum of 6 colors in one char, it's quite surprising the pictures in the Slideshow come over so well, but apparently most people don't use IFLIs capabilities to the full extent - and then there's the horizontal PAL colorblur, which means many different colors don't actually make so much sense after all, since you can't distinguish all the colors so well anyway! |
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PopMilo
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 145 |
Thanks DeeKay! That is clear enough :)
Excellent job! |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 702 |
Great pictures and good conversion.
Aaargh. If only I created the MUFLI converter before this was released.
The majority of the images can look just as good just feeding it through the MUCSU converter (and this is nonfli and mcol sprite underlay with no color changes) Although for the more complex color images a sliced alternative such as bitbreakers would certainly be a requirement.
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Wile Coyote
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 646 |
whats the 'N' stand for?
whats the 'M' stand for?
From what I know, 'M' is the same as 'N', only 'N' gets to use the 40char, thus making it an upgrade of 'M'
('U' stands for underlay, if I remember correct)
FLI
IFLI
UFLI
UIFLI
I guess, NUIFLI applies to the logo's at the end of CSS |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362 |
M stands for Multicolor (and xbow liked the pronounciation "moo-FLI"! 8)
N (NUFLI - "New FLI") actually came before M (see the helpscreen of the MUFLI editor, xbow found he could still switch one register, Mcol-register to be exact, thus dumping N and creating M!), but was never released. But back then it was not in the form we released it in now - there was no 40th column and no FLIbug.
Yes, "U" is for Underlay (Arriba! Arriba! Ándale! Ándale!! 8)))
Yes, the end-logo''''s are NUIFLI....
Hope that clears up the confusion... |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
To me this really is the most exciting thing to happen on the C64 in a long time. I know some people like the lo-fi approach of using hires and similar, and hey, I like to experiment every now and again, but most of the time I just want to make what I have in my mind look as good as it can on screen and this should go a long way to making that happen.
I also think it's pretty amazing that so far into the C64's life, such a big leap forward has happened! I've never really had a problem with interlace, but seeing all those pics in a true C64 high resoloution mode, that is possible to create without boring myself to death, blows me away! Thanks to all involved. |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362 |
Thanks, Deev, that's exactly why we made all this! ;-)))
It's funny how Soundemon set a new standard for Digis on x2008, Booze did for Demos - and we did for graphics! Only that nobody knew back then because we didn't release anything! ;-D
The converter was quite advanced back then already (though this was primarily MUIFLI focussed, we did all the FLIbug stuff some time after X!) |
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saehn
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Registered: Apr 2006
Posts: 44 |
Any chance of this ever working on NTSC? :-) |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362 |
well, it is technically possible that crossbow makes an NTSC-compatible displayer. but I doubt he will! <:-) Try mailing him about it, thanks to VICE you don't need an actual NTSC machine anymore! ;-D |
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Lubber
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 26 |
I really love these graphics, but one advantage of IFLI/Drazlaze still is mixing colors. (how to do that without flickering?)
Anyway great stuff you did! thumbs up Crossbow/Deekay as always. :) |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 702 |
Yes, you get the color mixing via interlaced mcolor but still bear in mind that each pixel is still 2x1 in size. The partial overlap when flicking the two images with the second one a hires pixel apart. creates an intermediate shade between the 2x1. hence hires chequerboard is not really possible in multicolor interlace.
You get the color mixing regardless in pal without interlace.
If you take into account mix colors when converting an image (eg from digitized photo) then clearly interlaced modes offer the advantage.
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