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2013-12-20 22:38
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274
Multispeed tunes

I plan to make some mixes this Christmas (something like Bitjam Podcast :) )
First project will be based on multispeed tunes. Please recommend your favorites sids here. Second one will be "stereo SID mix".
2013-12-20 23:57
Xenox

Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87
Oh, there are a lot of multispeedtracks, look at tracks from GRG and Jeff...

Some of my fav. ones are Scratching Zwaantjes from EVS/20CC...

Scratching Zwaantjes

The 12Speed track from Jeff...

12-Speed tune

or Anal'ogue from Jeff...

Anal'ogue

There are lotsa more good ones...

Frank
2013-12-21 02:49
SIDWAVE
Account closed

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238
all i did i think, never played on radio, worth to check:

/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Ascension.sid
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Deep_Space_Exploration.sid
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Electro_Lolita.sid
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Electro_Mechanica.sid
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Gnumpf_Espresso.sid
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Megamipper.sid (rockmonitor but new, insane gabber :) just a bonus, i dont think i will use that again.. :)
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Movements.sid
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Psychomaniac.sid (psychoooooooo!)
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Quantum_of_Funkyness.sid
listen to the snaredrum, it has reverb and wait for the big fat mega snape bang!
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Riff_Raff.sid
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Roses_Are_Red.sid (yes, the old aqua hit) :)
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Slam_Dunk_Funk.sid
/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Vicious_SID.sid

and

/MUSICIANS/H/Harries_Jan/Whack_It.sid

from nextr update i am moved to /SIDwave instead :)
2013-12-21 09:30
Xenox

Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87
By the way, *shamelessselfpromotion*...

I did a Podcast in the same way you want to do some years ago with some multispeed tracks (and some sounds like multispeed but they aren't), i used a lot of good tracks, check it out...!!

Everything was made on a iMac using Logic Pro, SIDPlay and a original HardSID...
What i dislike at the remixes from Bitjam are the transitions, i hate it always to hear the same volume tarnsition so i tried it by my own with a different way recording only 1 channel to make transitions a bit better... The latest Podcast from me is the Jeroen Tel Podcast which were released on the Bitjam Podcast serie some time ago (#174 if i remember right)...

http://soundcloud.com/xenox-afl/fn-anthology-multispeedlikeedit

I used the following tracks...

Unsound Minds 1 - Juha-Matti "AMJ" Hilpinen
Happy Hip Hop - Hein "Hein Design" Holt
Remote - Glenn Rune "GRG" Gallefoss
Rubicon - Jeroen "JT" Tel
8th Frame - Soren "Jeff" Lund
Club 69 - Glenn Rune "GRG" Gallefoss
Huffa Megg - Glenn Rune "GRG" Gallefoss
Double Speed - Jens-Christian "JCH" Huus
12 Speed Time - Soren "Jeff" Lund
Fading Away - Glenn Rune "GRG" Gallefoss
Cave of Rave - Soren "Jeff" Lund
Zu Ende - Andor "DOS" Cseh
Andagt - Anders "Duck Larock" Daugard
Crest Main A - Soren "Jeff" Lund
Singing Cows Tune 3 - Arne Puszelski
Dork Slentriand - Anders "Duck Larock" Daugard
Double Shit - Mariusz "Ramos" Rozwadowski
Anal'ogue - Soren "Jeff" Lund
Trible Speed Tune - Morten "MSK" Kristensen
Reflection - Kai "PVCF" Walter
Monte Carlo 2017 - Sascha "Linus" Zeidler
Elsdyrat Roland - Soren "Jeff" Lund
Muza do Dema - Wojciech "Shogoon "Radziejeski
Digital Madness Intro - Guy Shavitt
Spring Pop - Soren "Jeff" Lund

Have phun...!

Frank
2013-12-21 10:39
Soren

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547
Thanks for that one, Xenox. :)
Btw, Crest Main A.sid is just singlespeed and so is spring pop.sid. :)
2013-12-21 10:46
Soren

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547
BTW. Here's a c64 recording of my "Anal'ogue"
with the filters that my own SID chip used for this tune has.

http://www.6581.dk/mp3/C64_recordings/Jeff%20-%20Analogue.mp3

And for the sake of it, this 4-speed tune was actually done as multispeed just for the sake of it. Not too much in it requires multispeed, but does give a few nice things here and there. And today I am still wondering why I did some of the sounds like I did... like too filtered snare, etc.

http://www.6581.dk/mp3/C64_recordings/Jeff%20-%206581%20doped%2..
2013-12-21 11:10
Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 833
Quote: Thanks for that one, Xenox. :)
Btw, Crest Main A.sid is just singlespeed and so is spring pop.sid. :)


Club 69 is also singlespeed. :P

@Isildur: For your second 2SID podcast, check out 2sid-inside on Soundcloud. ;) (ask me if you want mp3s of those recordings too.)
2013-12-21 11:15
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274
Thank you all guys. Will check these tunes.
2013-12-21 11:17
Xenox

Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87
As you can see, Jeff, i like your music... ;)

Your multispeed tracks are awesome, really great stuff on all SID's...
Your are right, not all tracks in this podcast are multispeed but they were perfect for that podcast to make a good transition between the tracks....

Frank
2013-12-21 11:27
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274
PVCF/Reflex made some good multispeed tunes also.
2013-12-21 12:26
Xenox

Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87
MSK/Crest did some great Multispeed, Guy Shavitt and Shogoon/Elysium., too..,
2013-12-21 13:45
Soren

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547
Owen: <o_ Ai ai captain! :) Didn't know that actually. :)

Frank: Thanks :)
2013-12-21 17:20
wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 501
Isildur, and please make sure you take this small lesson in mixing SID tunes live in line with proper DJ craft... ;)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8frw9dsol2wz7bm/wackee_in_the_mix_at_..

Tracklist:

part 1. too fast too furious.

01. unfetter / psycho8580 / c64
02. tournesol / metal / c64
03. constipation / moog / c64
04. gang i den / jeff / c64
05. meetro'93 / travolta / amiga
06. condom corruption / travolta / amiga
07. friday evening / olsen / c64
08. breed / wacek / c64
09. paranoia / the syndrom / c64
10. experimenthal / pri / c64
11. trip 2 pluto / metal / c64
12. ravin' mika / pri / c64
13. flash out / praiser / c64
14. small techno / cleve / c64
15. sound test / pvcf / c64
16. 242 / conrad / c64
17. cave of rave / jeff / c64
18. silesia 2010 / psycho8580 / c64
19. vitality #2 intro / praiser / c64
20. bla bla / swallow / c64
21. cyberworld / jeff / c64
--. (motion theme) / clawz / amiga
22. skelma / heatbeat / amiga

part 2. slow, deep & dirty.

23. locomotive chef / linus / c64
24. breaker / necropolo / c64
25. fortress of narzod / linus / c64
26. teqnoir / jeff / c64
27. arga troll i bollen/ balrog / pc
28. tonight we murder / wacek / c64
29. my kingdom / jazz&muffler / amiga
30. mindriot / praiser / c64
31. trip 2 jupiter / metal / c64
32. reflex tune 2 / jeff / c64
33. fbi or die rap / o'neill / c64
34. zzzbla / dune / pc
35. skin deep / wacek / pc
36. plasmawalk 2 / wacek / c64
37. muminki rooooolz / shogoon / c64
38. sign of peace / mentz / pc
39. electronic pleasure/ jorm&voice / pc
40. how to skin a cat / nuke / amiga
--. (autistik xl) / wacek / c64
41. phat knockers / crazy q / atari ;)
42. cyanide / wacek / c64
2013-12-21 19:37
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274
I konw your mix very well. Top notch.
Wackee I'll try to do my best :)
2013-12-21 19:59
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274
Soren is your version of Spring-Pop! multispeed?
2013-12-21 20:04
Soren

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547
Isildur: No, it's just simple 1x :)
2013-12-21 20:11
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274
WOW then :)
2013-12-30 23:00
Xenox

Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87
Wackee, i have listened to your remix and the used tracklist is amazing, the one and only thing i personally dislike is that lame "volume" transition everytime…!

If i read everything correct, you played it live, well, ofcourse, it's hard to make different transitions then, i know…!

I made a live performance of my JT Remix, too in Oberhausen/Germany last year at the Retro meeting and pre-mixed everything and the effects were played live, the only thing for me to get more vibes into the music and to have different transitions, maybe a idea for your next gig… ;)

https://vimeo.com/42144902

or on soundcloud ofcourse…!
2013-12-31 10:01
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3035
Isn't Red Devil's for Avantgarde cool 2-speed tune? btw.
2013-12-31 10:36
wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 501
Xenox, first of all this is not a remix, but a mix-set. Remix is when you take a track and reengineer it.

Then, what you call 'lame volume transitions' is a proper DJ mixing for the people on the dancefloor. I have been playing in the clubs for 16 years now (and I mean NORMAL music and NORMAL clubs, not scene people who do not dance :D), so I really do not comprehend why anyone would call it lame. I think you do not understand how such mix is supposed to be, and I cannot help you there. Maybe you should go to a club sometime ;)

And if you'd really listen to the mix, you would hear how much additional sounds, loops and effects are added there. Certainly more than adding street sounds and/or reverb to the beginning of the track. Check the Shogoon's track - it has freaking VOCALS in my mix!!! Or check 'Tonight We Murder' in the database and then listen to what's in the mix.

I listened to your 'set' and believe me, what you did is much easier, when you don't do the beatmatching and you don't have to keep harmonies intact when laying tracks over each other. And second thing, it would be a disaster in the club, because you make beatless transitions too long. It does not work when people are dancing. It makes people leave for a drink at the bar ;)

Yet, I still wouldn't call your mixset as 'lame'. That's the difference.
2013-12-31 11:18
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3035
Wackee, he calls volume transitions lame, not your work, apart from that, nice argument. I like arguments, they usually have some educational value.

And yes, those transitions in Xenox's thing aren't suitable for dancing, but was it a purpose of that mix?
2013-12-31 11:32
Xenox

Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87
CreaMD

Yep, you got it, i never said anything bad about the remix itself, i don't like the volume transitions, that's all..! Oh sorry, it's a mix-set… Forgive me… ;)

Wackee

Sorry for not being a pro musician and REMIXER as you 're, i'm just a little guy who want to make some music without knowing the remixer scene, dance scene or any other scene, sorry for blaming you with my lame and easy remix…!

I do not want to waste your time again, you as a pro musician need every minute to make first class dancefloor remixes...!

Shame on me…!
2013-12-31 11:35
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3035
Now you both are a bit overreacting. I know it. I'm expert on overreacting. ;-) Have a nice year 2014 guys.
2013-12-31 12:07
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2076
@Ilsidur:
Maybe you find some more here
http://csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=14&topicid=98399&showallposts=1
2013-12-31 13:56
wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 501
CreaMD, you are right. Damn you! ;)

Xenox, let's agree that we like different flavours in our (re)mixes. I'm a bit touchy on the word 'lame', so maybe I misread your comment a bit as disrespectful. On the other hand, my reply can be (and has been) perceived accordingly by you, whereas there was also no such intent ;)

So, following Roman's wise spirit ;) let's not enter 2014 with bad blood.
All the best to you in 2014 and may we both have opportunity to find joy and satisfaction in doing our own things :)
2013-12-31 14:07
Xenox

Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87
Wackee, i'm sure you understood everything correct so i'm not in the mood to say okay, it is so, your answer was so arrogant to me which tells me:

I'm the master of (re)mix-sets, others can't do them as good as i can, i allow no critic on my work...!

It is so, go you way, i'm going my way...
2013-12-31 16:53
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274
@wackee where can I find your club mixes? I would love to hear good electronic.
2014-01-01 22:00
wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 501
Here are some, enjoy ;)

http://j.mp/kAnt2004 | kalma @ nocny trans | 2004
http://j.mp/rPnt2004 | razorPoint @ nocny trans | 2004
http://j.mp/nDrbt90 | nDr presents back to the 90s | 2006
http://j.mp/rPnt2008 | razorPoint @ nocny trans | 2008
http://j.mp/rPpod | razorPoint podcast for drone audio | 2010
http://j.mp/nDrsign | nDr presents the signal remixed | 2012
2014-01-01 23:08
Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 274
Thanks, I like "back to 90'2 part 2".
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