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Forever C | The Dirty Dozen |
- The 8bit computers multiscene party.
Event Type :
Demo Party
AKA :
Forever 12 / Forever 2011
Dates :
18 - 20 March 2011
Place :
Slovakia / Trencin / Horná Súča
Trencin
Slovakia
Website :
http://forever.zeroteam.sk
Organizers :
CreaMD, Jak T Rip, Wotnau
Organizer Groups :
DMAgic
Competition Results :
C64 Demo
C64 Music
C64 Graphics
C64 1K Intro
Attendants : (28)
Boased, booker, Brainstorm, Ceti, Conrad, CreaMD, DJ Gruby, Factor6, Grabba, Hoild, Jak T Rip, kenji, Kisiel, LHS, LiSU, MrMat, PCH, Poison, Prof. Pi^2, Raf, Ramos, Sad, Sebaloz, Splatterpunk, SUDi, Visac, Wotnau, Zielok
External links :
Party Reports :
User Comment
Submitted by CreaMD on 22 June 2011
| It was mailspread. (poorly on my side, coz I didn't send out anything). So someone who has it on their disks and should add it ;-))) I'm not going to do it coz I would feel embarassed to do so. I can send it by e-mail to you or anyone who asks though and they can add it if they wish. ;-) |
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Submitted by Conrad on 22 June 2011
| So where is the 2nd place DMagic demo? You didn't torch the disk did you? (Accidentally of course ;)) |
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Submitted by DJ Gruby on 27 March 2011
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Submitted by CreaMD on 23 March 2011
| Thanx a lot. I'm kinda unexperienced in making doublespeed sids, so I left mine as .prg only. Gotta check. |
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Submitted by Conrad on 23 March 2011
| ... Anyway... added missing sid files to music entries (except Booker's coz he's locked the dam entry :)) ... and yes that includes Mr.Fake's! :) |
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Submitted by CreaMD on 23 March 2011
| All I want to say is. That I consider the case 90% closed. If I get pardal on the wire, I will ask him about his point of view and that would be all. As far as, everyone who is going to boycott next forever thanx to our reaction on incident with Kisiel, is concerned, I don't give a flying... duck. If we ditch Forever thanx to a drinking incident, it would be at least a good reason. Much better than trying to explain that we are tired of doing it.. Have a nice rest of the year everybody and see you at next one. |
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Submitted by booker on 23 March 2011
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Submitted by Kisiel on 23 March 2011
| I think it's like Dynasty or Moda na Sukces ;) |
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Submitted by Kisiel on 23 March 2011
Let me ask you some questions to clear situation.
I want to show hardware stuff on Forever C, so please check this movie and mark as time stamp:
- where was broken divIDE,
- where was eyewitness,
When it happens, give us an estimated hour.
DivIDE looks like this ?
http://baze.au.com/divide/
Hardware on Forever C:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=129XYYI8
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Submitted by CreaMD on 22 March 2011
| Yes. Because you moved to that place after the incident you don't remember. The incident which can be confirmed by at least two eyewitnesses. Sorry but I really won't discuss this with you anymore. This is not finding anyone. This was you. You don't remember because you were drunken. It's your problem. Not mine. I wasn't there I just translated what I received from Mikezt. Now piss off. Thanx. And now after all that you have written, I'm perfectly sure I don't want you to come to Forever. If there will be any.. that is. And if anyone thinks that you are to be supported, they can stay at home too. If we quit doing the party thanx to you, at least we will have a very good excuse. We don't wan't to have people run around place breaking things and ruining the party for others. Thank you. |
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Submitted by Kisiel on 22 March 2011
"Kisiel then staggered to the table of Atari guys, where he slept on 3 chairs."
I was sleeping next to door, not Atari guys... so find someone else. Every one can use google translate and add something to testimony, but you can't change place where I was sleeping.
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Submitted by CreaMD on 22 March 2011
| Kisiel. For me the case is closed. Please shut up and go fuck yourself for not being able to admit that you were fucking drunk. In the future when I get witness from Pardal I will translate it here. Menawhile I leave this coz I have better things to do than to discuss with asshole who can't take responsibility for the actions he DON'T REMEBER because of being drunk. |
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Submitted by Kisiel on 22 March 2011
You changing testimony. During Saturday night I've play loud music during almost all night. In front of my laptop with drunken Sebaloz who were really funny to talk with him. So for Saturday to Sunday I was able to play keyboard so I wasn't drunken at all.
There was chasing, after while, struggle .. do You think that is funny? I was able to sleep on three chairs but not able to move? Sorry guys you are stupid or what? |
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Submitted by CreaMD on 22 March 2011
Conrad, thanx for trying to help. Mikezt also promised to send the photos.
As far as the other incident with some ZX Spectrum guy is concerned Mikezt mentioned that too when we talked over the phone. There was a guy who could barely walk, but when they shouted at him, he managed to get somehow operational and nothing happened. = He didn't break anything!
As I said. I have no reason at all to believe Mikezt, we are organising this party together for 12 years. Should I also contact another eyewitness, PARDAL? Guys.. I really have better things to do than finding points of view on the same incident.
Another correction (the other drunken guy was Atari scener) (23:10) |
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Submitted by Conrad on 22 March 2011
| Dunno if I can share a bit of light here.... I just looked at some photos taken by Raf. In a few of them, there is a particular scener (not C64) who looks absolutely wasted and had to be guided around by one of the Atari sceners (with ponytail). In another photo he is there not too far from the desk that me and booker were working at. In that picture also, my chair had a creamy white cover over the top, which is what I brought to sleep on... this assumes that the photo was taken during the time I was outside boozing away with booker and some other guys, which was after the time Kisiel was asleep on the chairs. Our desk was also next to the ZX spectrum section as well, the one where Factor6 and others were working at. Let me know if you want to see the photo I'm on about... I just don't want to try and assume it was that guy immediately. |
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Submitted by CreaMD on 22 March 2011
Kisiel. Where is Mikezt's description of situation (the orga who WAS on the place when this happened) translated by me. Before you start read take into account that I don't have any reason not believe to person with whom I do this party for 12 years. And I'm sure noone else will doubt him.
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On the night from firday/saturday I have heard some rush and I see Kisiel falling into the crate (box) of NOBY (in the zx corner next to the entrance). I see (PARDAL who was sitting the closest) how he pulls the divIDE from Kisiel's hands. According to his words, Kisiel stood up (he was sleeping there), he ripped out the divIDE from logouts computer and because he wasn't able to hold balance, he fell into the crate (with his ass...). Pardal helped him to stand up, he pulled out the divIDE from his hands. eventhough the Kisiel resisted. Kisiel then staggered to the table of Atari guys, where he slept on 3 chairs. In the morning he woke up and moved to the mattress close to the table of CPC guys where he with terribly whistling pump inflated the mattress a bit more.
The damage is one non-working divIDE, which they weren't able to run even with the help of Noby (the creator of divIDE www.divide.cz), but most important. Logout said he will never bring his computer to Forever again. I'm most scared of the fact, that so drunken person like this, could break anything on the party place.
Next year I would be glad, if we had on our page a big message, that teed up (drunken) people won't be allowed to enter the partyplace.
Mikezt
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Corrected 22:40 (fixed the time span) |
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Submitted by Kisiel on 22 March 2011
| CreamD try walking in my shoes ;) Every one who was drinking with me said the same thing: no possible, I didn't saw this, etc. I'm not sleep walker (funny game) so it is not possible. I've moved my ass from corner (I was sleeping on chairs) to air-bad during night, but someone watched me during this action. So 100%, that is not a black mail. We put together all pieces for this puzzle, ask Sudi for translation our c64scene.pl |
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Submitted by CreaMD on 22 March 2011
| Booker: Right. Different people, different reactions. Nobody is as perfect as you and me... ;) |
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Submitted by booker on 22 March 2011
Quoting CreamDBooker, I agree that it could have been done like that, but really, that doesn't solve anything now.
It doesn't and neither pointing Kisiel solves anything. See, I'm not defending this poor bastard, but as you said yourself, CBA told you about your pissing on X party, but AT the party. This case has been left to stink two days now. You can as well point me, for whatever reason and everyone will have to believe you :) |
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Submitted by CreaMD on 22 March 2011
"As Organisers: do you expect that every one will go to the party to be:
- judged and found guilty , without any chance to say something against? You (organisers) really think that will be without any consequences ?"
I don't care about emotional blackmailing. The rest was written in PM that I sent you minutes ago.
"Only because I'm not deserve to have right to give some word against?"
You have right to say anything. But when that anything is threats and emotional blackmailing, it won't earn you any respect from my side.
"I'm one of the hardware guru. I really know how expensive are toys for boys because I'm working on it for C64. So I can say: he was completely lamer who did this thing."
Good. We are getting somewhere. Btw. I must apologise for pissing from the stairs at X years ago.. I don't remember anything of that.. I even was clean and and dry when I woke up hours later.. but I believe CBA who told me in the moring about that. I can't do anything about that. I'm glad they didn't throw me out of the place. And guess what, I feel not guilty, because I wasn't stoned.. I drank about 3-4 beer cans max.. but I had eaten sickness pills on the way there.. so probably that caused the problem.. but I have to live with this for eternity. If they banned me.. I would accept that. (well maybe they did.. I wasn't there again yet ;-). Why I tell you I this? Because I want to show you, that as far as accepting of being complete asshole is concerned I don't have problem with that. That doesn't mean you should accept it.. that just means that shit happens, and we experience humiliating on parties.. why doing more drama about it than necessary.
... and Slovaks are also drunkards, that's our nature. That's why we have no problem with Polish sceners. Just sometimes something happens, and some people get upset.. and that's what happened. The rest of the world is still turning, just we few tens.. ...max hundred people.. have a small storm in the glass of water... |
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Submitted by CreaMD on 22 March 2011
| Booker, I agree that it could have been done like that, but really, that doesn't solve anything now. |
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Submitted by Kisiel on 22 March 2011
Ok, on my side, SORRY for blame you, but NOW is to late to clear situation. As Organisers: do you expect that every one will go to the party to be:
- judged and found guilty , without any chance to say something against? You (organisers) really think that will be without any consequences ?
Only because I'm not deserve to have right to give some word against?
I'm one of the hardware guru. I really know how expensive are toys for boys because I'm working on it for C64. So I can say: he was completely lamer who did this thing.
Please receive my apology CreaMD. I did this as way as everyone thinks that all Polish guys are only drinkers ;) |
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Submitted by booker on 22 March 2011
Quoting CreamD do you think someone who would have their stuff damaged would be able to mistake a person who did it?
I think someone who would have their stuff damaged would not let go until the incident is cleared out. Instead it has been left out to "clear" after the party.... |
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Submitted by CreaMD on 22 March 2011
| Ksiel, I don't blame you. Everything I try to write the way that it's evident that I'm not the one who is blaming you. I even don't know how you look. I asked Ellvis to send me the photo. As far as identification is concerned there were only 100 people, do you think someone who would have their stuff damaged would be able to mistake a person who did it? I don't think so. I only believe that they wrongly identified the name of the person on the photo. So if I get the photo, I can send it to you and you can confirm if it is you or someone else. As far as the rest of the emotion around this is concerned, I can't do anything about that, I haven't been there, so I can't take any sides. Neither yours neither theirs. |
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Submitted by Kisiel on 22 March 2011
Yes, he won. I will never come to Forever as he promised me (and to Sebaloz too). There was few not drunken party people who saw his action, so we will remember his face. My laptop is old so it's not problem to me, one or two more scratches. But camera was sink by drink so I had problem to fix it. I think is better to ask someone to turn the music down not to show your strength or mad.
I'm 100% sure that I didn't do it, so it was excellent party accept Batman Forever: flame war for dummy's. |
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Submitted by booker on 22 March 2011
| I've arrived I think midnight, maybe half past midnight. When I came to the party place I saw Kisiel coming my way, getting ready to get sleep on the chairs. I seen no-one shouting or whatever, any indication of any incident. You know, usually when something is happening you chase people who destroy your stuff. So why no one was chasing Kisiel? On the other hand I've heard from few people that there was some badly behaving Czech person, who did some crap around the area Kisiel and guys had his table, nearly destroyed a laptop, and also he was behaving badly to people downstairs. So perhaps you need to rethink who are you really chasing? |
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Submitted by Kisiel on 22 March 2011
Maybe you were to drunk to remember. I didn't do it, so I claim this "fact" is as mistake of your witness. Anyway, the worst thing is this: it doesn't matter what I say, you put blame on me in public, not contacting me first. If it had happen by accident, it was better to contact me on the party place because I was not drinking alone.
So, with those facts for me is a bye to Forever for forever, AFAIK for some party people too. As an organiser you should be more careful with such accidents in the future, because every one can be blamed after the party.
Please tell us why you stole my wallet? |
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Submitted by CreaMD on 22 March 2011
I have called with Ellvis about it. This is what happened on the friday-saturday night. Person indentified by the owner of hardware was drunken, woke up.. moved from place to place (where he fell asleep again) and on the way he stopped by the table where there was a speccy IDE interface called "div IDE" he **pulled the card out of the computer**. Then he walked away and on the way he **stepped into the box with hardware**. The interface is now broken and not functional. Don't know the exact price but it's about 40-50 EUR worth. The problem is not with the price though, but with the attitude and inability to control oneself. When Ellvis returned to the party, the guy who owned the thing has shown him the person who broke the hardware, later they identified him on the photo taken at the party as Ksiel.
I think that partial solution to the incident could be solved by paying of the expenses for new hardware (if the guy actually admits that he did it, as I have heard he is claiming to not to do that (which is either caused byt the fact that he was too drunken to remember, or that he lies.. I'm not the one to decide), but still there is one important thing about organising a party. There is a valuable hardware all over the place, and noone is happy about having their things broken by some idiot who can't walk straight or who have funny ideas of disassembling the things when being intoxicated. We are very tolerant towards alcohol at the party anyway, we booze too .. to bigger or lesser extent, but what just happened made Ellvis really upset.
(updated 17:34) |
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Submitted by Raf on 22 March 2011
| when exactly Kisiel was supposed to demolish anything? and why no INSTANT reaction to that ON THE PARTY? just suddenly some info after party? |
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Submitted by CreaMD on 22 March 2011
| Conrad, I haven't seen/heard what exact damage was caused, so currently I can't say anything, but I will ask Ellvis and then make a stand. I'm sure it must have been some really big problem if he made such decision. |
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Submitted by CreaMD on 22 March 2011
| Jammer, you have missed my already very very late departure from my HQ for about 1 hour. At least you should have sent me some note about still composing.. at nite.. I would have try to check emails at party then. Last entry I received around 10 AM saturday. And btw. I've sent you some e-mails, please check/answer. |
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Submitted by booker on 22 March 2011
| Jammer, will you ever learn? If I'm going to a party send your stuff to me ffs. :| |
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Submitted by Conrad on 22 March 2011
(from forever OUTRO page):
"After 12 years of party we had first incident (some hardware was damaged by drunk attender) and we decided to secure it will not happen again. That's the reason to give BAN. Kisiel, we don't want to see you around next year!"
Hmmm, I don't remember Kisiel being violent on the first night, in fact he was passed out last time I checked. ;) Anyway, whatever he did, I think banning him from the next party is a bit extreme to be honest. No offence to the organisers, I appreciate tolerating drunkenness... but this was Kisiel's first visit to Forever so what rules would he expect? |
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Submitted by Jammer on 22 March 2011
| i see that my tune didn't make on time :( |
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Submitted by CreaMD on 21 March 2011
| Had to take sleep.. then work.. now they are out. |
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Submitted by booker on 21 March 2011
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Submitted by Conrad on 21 March 2011
| Thanx for a great party guys! See you at the next one (and don't forget Sile5ia ;)) |
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Submitted by ThunderBlade on 20 March 2011
| Thanks Roman. Can't wait to see the demo. |
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Submitted by leonofsgr on 20 March 2011
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Submitted by CreaMD on 20 March 2011
| Demo by Dmagic will be released later this week. Needs some fixes. |
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