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The Arrogance (2 September 1989 - ??) |
Ex member of : Legend (6-1990 -> 9-1990), Pandora, Success (9-1991 -> 12-1993) [web], Success (11-1989 -> 6-1990) [web], Success + The Ruling Company (1/1-1994 -> 12-1995) [web], The Sharks ( -> 2/9-1989), Trinity, X-Ray (10-1990 -> 2-1992)
Functions : Coder, Cracker, Modem Trader, Organizer, Original Supplier, PAL-Fixer, Swapper
Founder of : Success
Handlestory :
In early September 1989 Thorsten (also known as Reptil/Shining 8) left Doughnut Cracking Service (the german section from 1989) to be part of a new group together with mostly local friends, all based around the large area of Frankfurt/Main (Germany), from several other groups. Before the decision was made to call the new group SUCCESS, he made the suggestion to give it the name ARROGANCE, which was however rejected by the other initial members of SUCCESS. Therefore he decided to change his own handle THORSTEN (which actually was his first name) to THE ARROGANCE.
Trivia :
* Actually THE ARROGANCE were 2 guys, named Thorsten and Thomas. The decision to work together, using one handle, was made in late 1989 (round about november /december as far as i remember).
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About Thorsten (active as THE ARROGANCE from 09/1989 - 06/1990):
* he was a member of the following groups (chronological order): SHINING 8 (alias Reptil), SHARKS (alias Thorsten), DOUGHNUT CRACKING SERVICE (alias Thorsten), SUCCESS (alias The Arrogance), SUCCESS+X-RAY (alias The Arrogance), Legend (The Arrogance), BRAINBOMBS
* Founder of SUCCESS.
* He had a huge influence on how the illegal C64 scene in the large area around Frankfurt/Main looked like. He always made sure, that at least one big scene name (Shining 8, The Sharks or Success) was located there. He left Shining 8 in the middle of 1989 together with most of the other members of the Frankfurt-Section to join The Sharks. Later on changed his handle to Thorsten, left The Sharks and joined Doughnut Cracking Service (DCS) together with RAP, Stet and Steel. On the 2nd of September 1989 he left DCS, changed his handle to The Arrogance and formed SUCCESS together with all his friends of the FFM-Posse from Shining 8, Sharks, DCS, Dynamix, Netmen, Baboons and Share. The rest is history!
* He quit the scene in 06/1990 to concentrate on his studies. He was finally admitted to the bar as a lawyer in 2001. Ain't it curious that someone who cracked plenty of games is now working as a lawyer with the following principle field of activities: IT-, Media- and especially Copyright-Law ?! ;)
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About Thomas (active as THE ARROGANCE from 11/1989 - 1993):
* He was a member of the following groups (in chronological order): SHARKS (alias T.J.), SUCCESS (alias T.J 09/89 - 12/89), SUCCESS, SUCCESS+X-RAY, LEGEND, X-RAY, X-RAY+TRANSCOM (alias The Arrogance 11/89 - 12/93), BRAINBOMBS, SUCCESS (rebuilt 1991), SUCCESS+THE RULING COMPANY and some more short appearances in other groups like Pandora etc.
* Founder of SUCCESS. Rebuilt SUCCESS in 09/91.
* He slowed down his activities during 1993 and finally quit the scene (more or less) in the end of 1993, although he was still around occasionally until 1995. Nowadays he is working as a manager for a european multinational aerospace corporation.
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P.S. (14.02.08) Just read the new added episode about Trinity.. well yep, something happened at that time before we rebuilt success. Can't really remember anymore, that period was definitly too short, but part of my history anyway. So just take it as what it seemed to be.. another very short chapter more, but of no importance at all.
Other handles used by these 2 sceners:
The Reptil of Shining 8, The Sharks
Thorsten of The Sharks, Doughnut Cracking Service
Tie Jey of The Sharks, Success
TH of The Sharks
Country :
Germany
Sysop on BBS : Suckers Domain (Main)
User on BBS : Divine Ultimatum, Edge of Midnight, Spankerz Heaven
Credits :
02.90 Ranx by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Charts | (Text) |
64 x 8 Logo Editor by Empire, Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
A-Head #3 by Trance | ... | 1993 Diskmag | (Interviewed) |
Acia +6 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Action Fighter +7 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Arcade Extravaganza +9 by Mad Hatter, Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Arcade Extravaganza +9 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Artic World Cup by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack) |
Artic World Cup by Nuclear, Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack) |
Artillery '90 +4 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Aspar Grand Prix Master by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack) |
Atom Ant +11 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Baby Jack +13 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Barmy Bills Flight of Fun +4 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Batman the Movie +5 by Success, Triumwyrat | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Batman the Movie +5 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Batman the Movie +5 by Idiots, Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Bild Zeitung #1 by Bild Zeitung Staff, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Diskmag | (Text) |
Bild Zeitung #2 by Bild Zeitung Staff, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Diskmag | (Text) |
Bild Zeitung #3 by Bild Zeitung Staff, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Diskmag | (Text) |
Bild Zeitung #4 by Bild Zeitung Staff, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Diskmag | (Text) |
Bild Zeitung #5 by Bild Zeitung Staff, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Diskmag | (Text) |
Bild Zeitung #6 by Bild Zeitung Staff, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Diskmag | (Text) |
Bild Zeitung #7 by Bild Zeitung Staff | ... | 1991 Diskmag | (Text) |
Black Panther +2HS by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer, Loader) |
Blast Ball +3H by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Blinky's Scary School +8 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Blockie Preview by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
Blood Rush Preview by Success | ... | 1993 Crack | (Crack) |
Blue Angel 69 +6 by Italian Cracking Service, Success | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Blue Angel 69 +6 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Blue Baron +3 by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Breathalyzer +4 by Transcom, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Trainer) |
Bubble Mania Preview by Success | ... | 1993 Crack | (Crack) |
Bundesliga Manager 2 by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack) |
Bundesliga Manager 2 by Success, Twins | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack) |
Cabal +20HS by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Captain Fizz - Meets the Blaster-Trons +10 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Championship 3D Snooker + by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Championship Jet Ski Simulator +2 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Chase HQ +10 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Cisco Heat +2 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
CJ in the USA +2 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Company Director by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Linking) |
Corx - Rebel Racers + by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Coupe #2 by X-Ray | ... | 1991 Diskmag | (Interviewed) |
Crackers Aid for Africa by Success | ... | 1989 Misc. | (Text) |
Craft +3 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Cubulus by Pandora, Twins | ... | 1993 Crack | (Crack) |
Cubulus by Pandora | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Docs) |
Cuthbert in the Tombs by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack) |
Cyber World + by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Cyrus +5 by Transcom, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
D.I.S.C. Preview V2 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack) |
Das Magazin [german] by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack) |
Declem +2 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Decstone +2 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Die Hard +12 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Die! Alien Slime +2 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Domination by Italian Cracking Service, Legend | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack) |
Domination by Legend | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack) |
Double Sphere (V3) by Transcom, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
DreamTeam Fantasy Football by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack) |
Dynamite Dux +5 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer, Bug-Fix) |
Elec-Tron +H by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer, Bug-Fix) |
Elven Warrior +3 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Eruca +3 by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Exile +2 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Eye of Horus +4 by Fucked Beyond Repair, Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Trainer) |
F1 Tornado +2 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Faith by Success | ... | 1989 One-File Demo | (Text) |
First Strike + by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
First Strike + by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Football Manager 3 +FT by Empire, Ministry of Darkness, Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Original Supply) |
Football Manager 3 +FT by Empire, Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Original Supply) |
Footballer of the Year II by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack) |
Garfield 2 - Winter's Tail +4 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Grand Prix Simulator 2 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Linking) |
Havoc +9 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Hazar +1P by X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Hazar +1P by X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Hellhole +8 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Inspector Hecti in the Inter Change +4 by Pandora | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Inspector Hecti in the Inter Change +4 (V2) by X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Interchange +4 by Pandora | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
International 5 a Side Football by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
Intruder +2 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
IQ-181 by The Hawks | ... | 1989 One-File Demo | (Text) |
John Lowe's Ultimate Darts by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack) |
Jumping Jack +2 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Jungle Patrol +2 by Success | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Karting Grand Prix + by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Krymini + by Pandora | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Krymini + by X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Laser Squad by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack) |
Lemmings Preview by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack) |
Level-Squeezer V2.0 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Code) |
Level-Squeezer V2.1 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Tool | (Code) |
Limbo +4 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Little Duck Preview by Success + The Ruling Company | ... | 1995 Crack | (Crack) |
Little Puff + by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Mad Springs +5 by X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Magic News January 1990 | ... | 1990 Diskmag | (Interviewed) |
Magical Formula Preview +2 by Success + The Ruling Company | ... | 1995 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Mechanicus + by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Metaplex +8H by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Monty Python's Flying Circus +5 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Moonfall by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
Moonwalker +41 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Moonwalker +41 by Manik, Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Naughty Nudger + by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Naughty Nudger + by Success, Twins | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Naughty Nudger +F by AFROS, Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Neutralizor + by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Newstyle #05 by Duplex, Oracle | ... | 1990 Diskmag | (Interviewed) |
Nibbly '92 +4 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Operation Hanoi +11 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Oracle +3 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Trainer) |
Orbit +3M by Legend | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Orbit +6 by Legend | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Orbit +6 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Outlaw +5 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Pandora Intro by Pandora | ... | 1991 Crack Intro | (Code, Graphics) |
Para Academy +2 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Party Letter | ... | 1990 Misc. | (Text) |
Passing Shot by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack) |
Penalty Soccer by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack) |
Phobos by Success | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack) |
Posse One by Success | ... | 1989 One-File Demo | (Text) |
Postman Pat II +5 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Prince Clumsy +8 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Pro Team Soccer by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
Project S.O.L. +9 by Transcom, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Trainer) |
Puke Box #08 by Fantastic 4 Cracking Group, Inceria | ... | 1992 Diskmag | (Interviewed) |
Puzzlenoid +6 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Rally Cross +26 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Rally Cross +26 by Success, Triumwyrat | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Rawhead Rex Preview by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
Richard's Birthday-Dmo by Crypt | ... | 2007 Demo | (Text) |
Robozone +2 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Round the Bend + by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Rugby Boss +5 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer, Loader) |
Rugby World Cup by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Ripping) |
Satan +6 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Scramble Spirits + by Science 451 | ... | 1990 Crack | (Original Supply) |
Scumm +4 by Twins, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Scumm +4 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Sex'n'Crime #17 by Amok | ... | 1990 Diskmag | (Interviewed) |
Shaduine+ by Success | ... | 1990 Demo | (Text) |
Shuffle +2 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Skate Wars by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack) |
Ski or Die +F by Legend, North East Crackers | ... | 1990 Crack | (PAL-Fix) |
Skidz +4 by X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Sky High Stuntman +2 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Sleepwalker +2 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Sliding Skill +4 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Snake Mania +6 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Snoball in Hell + by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Soccer Pinball +2 by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Soccer Rivals by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
Space Harrier 2 +4 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Spheron +3FD by Massive Onslaught, Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Docs) |
Spikey in Transylvania +2 by Pandora | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Spikey in Transylvania +2 (V2) by X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Spooked + by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Stratego by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
Stuemp [german] by Transcom, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
Stuffy +5 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Stuffy +5 by Robert King, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Success + X-Ray Intro 02 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack Intro | (Code) |
Success + X-Ray Intro 04 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack Intro | (Code) |
Success + X-Ray Intro 05 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack Intro | (Code) |
Success Intro 19 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack Intro | (Code) |
Success Intro 20 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack Intro | (Code) |
Success Intro 30 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack Intro | (Code) |
Success Intro 31 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack Intro | (Code) |
Success Intro 38 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack Intro | (Code) |
Success Is Back by Success | ... | 1991 Misc. | (Text) |
Success-Noter V1.0 by Success | ... | 1992 Tool | (Docs) |
Super Kaa +6 by Success, Twin Eagles Group, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Super Kaa +6 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Super Monaco Grand Prix by Science 451 | ... | 1991 Crack | (Original Supply) |
Super Trucker +4 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Sysiphus +5 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Trainer) |
Tai Chi Tortoise +2 by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Tears Rollin' by Success | ... | 1990 Misc. | (Text) |
The Addams Family +2 by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Original Supply) |
The Champ +4 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer, Linking) |
The Dater +4 by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
The End / Success from 1989 by Success | ... | 1990 One-File Demo | (Code, Design, Idea, Text) |
The Match by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
The Match +F by Lamers 'R Us, Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
The Ninja Warriors +13 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
The North Sea Inferno +17 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Tiffany +3 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Tintin on the moon 101% +16 HS by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer, Bug-Fix) |
Titanic Blinky + by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Titanic Blinky +2 by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Toobin +3 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Tough Guys +2 (Visual Delight) by Transcom, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Tunnels of Terror +6 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Turbo Girl +3 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Twist +2 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Trainer) |
Ultrix +3 by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Vandalism News #42 by Onslaught, Success + The Ruling Company, Vandalism News Staff, Wrath Designs | ... | 2004 Diskmag | (Interviewed) |
Vincent +5 by X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Walkerz + by Hitmen | ... | 1995 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
War Machine +9 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Warball +4 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Wastelands +4 by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
We're Free by X-Ray | ... | 1991 Misc. | (Text) |
Wild Blood Preview by Success | ... | 1991 Crack | (Crack) |
Wobbler +3 by X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
World Championship Boxing Manager by Success | ... | 1989 Crack | (Crack) |
X-Out +6 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
X-Ray & Transcom Intro by Transcom, X-Ray | ... | 1991 Crack Intro | (Code, Graphics) |
Yeti +7 by Success, X-Ray | ... | 1990 Crack | (Crack, Trainer) |
Zack + by Success | ... | 1992 Crack | (Crack, Trainer, Loader) |
Attended : X'96
Hardcore Meeting 1995
The Party 1992
Arcade Copy-Party 1992
Genesis Project Copy Party 1992
The Party 1991
Success & Dominators Party 1991
Silicon Limited Summer Party 1991
Venlo Meeting February 1991
Silicon Limited + Ruthless Party 1990
Venlo Meeting December 1990
Duplex & Oracle Party
Venlo Meeting July 1990
News-Party 1990
Eddersheim News Party June 1990
Dominators/Upfront/Trilogy Party 1989
Eddersheim Meeting Oct 1989
Dynamix + Baboons Party 2/9/1989
User ratings : As Coder: | awaiting 8 votes (8 left) | As Cracker: | 9.6/10 (10 votes) See votestatistics | As Modem Trader: | awaiting 8 votes (8 left) | As Organizer: | awaiting 8 votes (6 left) See votestatistics | As Original Supplier: | awaiting 8 votes (8 left) | As PAL-Fixer: | awaiting 8 votes (8 left) | As Swapper: | awaiting 8 votes (8 left) |
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