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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Event id #2286 : Intro Creation Competition 2014
After the success of last year's Intro Creation Competion, I want to continue and maybe we can even top last year.
After the big X party and while it is getting colder outside, you may have some sparetime to create something for it. ;)
Competition runs from October 28th until December 27th, 2014. So you have 2 months to deliver your creations. This should be enough for an intro.
As comment editing is still disabled, please use this thread for questions, discussion and everything else concerning this competition.
THE RULES:
- Has to work on a plain stock C64 (PAL standard) without any extensions.
- Has to be a one-part intro. Fade-ins and fade-outs are OK.
- Has to contain at least one Logo at whatever size you like.
- Has to contain a changing or moving text message (e.g. scrolling text, different lines fading in & out, etc.)
- Has to contain music (not just a humming sound, please).
- Maximum RAM usage is $4000 bytes at one block, at whatever location you like. Screen RAM counts as used memory. Exclusions are system addresses like VIC (inkl. Color RAM), SID, CIA, Stack, Zero-page, IRQ vectors.
- Has to be interruptable any time by pressing SPACE-key (exception are fade-in and fade-out).
- Graphics, charsets and music do not need to be exclusive, but the code should be! So no reuse of existing code with just exchanged graphics and music.
- Intros may not have been used before entering the competition.
- Entries must be handed in as executable format startable with RUN (.prg or embedded in .t64 or .d64).
- Max. 3 entries per participant. Entries might be taken back from the compo until deadline. That means if you want to remove one of your works from the compo to make space for another entry from you, this can be done until deadline.
Deadline for entry submission is December 27th, 2014 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm) CET.
Voting closes one week later at January 3rd, 2015 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm) CET.
Voting platform is CSDb (with all disadvantages it may have), therefore entries have to be posted here.
Entries will be ranked by weighted average of CSDb votes. Entries with the same weighted average are ranked by their percentages of 10s, 9s, etc.
No prices to win, just the fame. May the best creation win. |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
wow... good news :-) i think even uncle yazoo may come up with some lame codings (if i find the time). |
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Xenox
Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87 |
Ah, cool, i'm in, hopefully..!
Frank |
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Scarzix
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143 |
Might be too close for Datastorm (if any?) for me to participate, but it also sounds like a great sandbox to try some singlepart ideas. Anyways, I wanna fire up Relaunch64 and see what KickAssembler will help me to...
Ouch, I need a logo - hmmm... can I make it with C= balloons? ;-) |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 833 |
Think I'll take part too ... if there's anything I love coding, it's intros! :) |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619 |
I'm up for it ;) |
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 129 |
Remember to NTSC fix your intros to make CRT/Censor happy.
Anyway I hope to contribute with something. |
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alwyz
Registered: Dec 2011
Posts: 31 |
NTSC Fix 'em to make me happy too! I'm starting to plan my entry now :) |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 716 |
Please have someone add a new release category for separate compo entries like in this situation. Not that the voting system is fair today, but this will fukkup the one-filer category just like it did last year.. The problem is obvious.. entries will be voted 1-10 compared to the total of 20-30 entries in this compo, then after the compo the votes should be compared to all 1000's of one-filers since 1983, but they are of course never ajusted. |
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 129 |
HCL: I got your Point, but I think in this case the releases will be uploaded as "crackintros" or "intros" so it wont fuckup the onefiler-demos like the "demo of the year compo" did last year. |
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Dr.j
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 276 |
Dr.j + Scarzix say "yes" to the Challenge |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 716 |
Quote: HCL: I got your Point, but I think in this case the releases will be uploaded as "crackintros" or "intros" so it wont fuckup the onefiler-demos like the "demo of the year compo" did last year.
Ok, and since i don't care about crack intros etc, the problem is none? Next time there is another compo, and the same problem again. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
people will vote low for their own entries to gain high "correction"-votes and then change their vote in the last possible moment.
The problem of "new an fancy releases" that get all the 10-votes is present for all categories IMHO. gfx, cracks and yes, full-scale demos, too. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 500 |
It seems, that nowadays votes is the only thing that drives people to bring up creativity and commitment. Sad. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
When do we start counting those $4000 bytes, before or after relocation color ram to $d800? |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Or rather, is this $4000 runtime or before decrunching? :-) |
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Hammerfist
Registered: May 2011
Posts: 11 |
Mace, glad you asked. We were having the same discussion yesterday. Moar room 4 bitmap gfx pleeze! ;) |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
$4000 at one block during runtime is a full VIC bank, should be enough for an intro. You may place it wherever you like eg. $6000-$a000 or even $3456-$7456. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
what bitbreaker said |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 445 |
I even think 16k are far too much to be a good challenge. I'd prefer 8k max. Especially if you really want to use the intro later in a release. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
indeed, 16k is HUGE for a crack intro.... also pal/ntsc fix should be a must, IMHO. |
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Roysterini
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2013
Posts: 13 |
If Pal/NTSC is a 'must' then I think I'll give it a miss.
Dunno much about that. |
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Kristian
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 126 |
Where does it say this is a crack intro competition? |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Intros are mostly used for cracks on C64 but this one is not especially for crack intros. |
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alwyz
Registered: Dec 2011
Posts: 31 |
Does a logo have to be "graphics" / char/font or can it be a combo of other ideas / sprites etc to be considered? |
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Kristian
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 126 |
Quote: Intros are mostly used for cracks on C64 but this one is not especially for crack intros.
Nowadays. Atleast the regular intro. Back in the days intros for demos was just as normal. Ok, maybe not in the same quantity, but almost every demo had an intro. |
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Wisdom
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 90 |
Music packs, graphics collections and diskmags had intros as well. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
I haven't done any PAL/NTSC stuff either, but this would be a nice one to start with. |
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Roysterini
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2013
Posts: 13 |
Is there a good place to look for info on all aspects of NTSC fixing?
I know the info must be out there, ripe for searching, bug if anyone knows of specific useful links, then that'd be great if you could share.
It's probably worthwhile at least knowing everything that's involved with NTSC fixing.
If you don't have NTSC hardware, is emulation generally good enough to test? |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
http://codebase64.org/doku.php?do=search&id=ntsc |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Emulation is good for NTSC testing up to a certain degree. When it comes to jerky movements due to too less rastertime, the limit of emulation is reached. |
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Roysterini
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2013
Posts: 13 |
Thanks, that gave up some great info. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1714 |
So are the rules set now?
A crack intro competition could be a completely separate size-coding compo. e.g 2 or 4 blocks, PAL/NTSC/PAL-N/NTSCOLD? compatible. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2070 |
What most said about 16K being a little over the top.
Last year's compo was big fun, but even though I optimized the result from release to release and 16K might do for most single-filed cracks, RAM waste remains just too big for some releases. Size/tinyness matters as soon as crack ain't singlefiler but covers almost whole disk size and you seriously run out of blocks. If it's not meant to be a crack intro competition, the whole "interruptable with space" part makes little sense and we could just label it One file demo competition.
Enough grumbling, rulez are rulez, Didi launched it, so he decides. Looking forward to steal a few effects be inspired by your entries. Maybe I take part with sth anyway :) |
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The Phantom
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 360 |
This sounds fun :D
Come to think of it, Should NTSC be allowed a few bytes extra, you know, because we have to fix it, which may require extra code. Just curious... |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
No extra bytes for NTSC fixing. If you want to fix your intro, it has to be done within the size limit.
NTSC compatibility is appreciated but not mandatory.
BTW. Nice to see the first entries coming in! |
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Xenox
Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87 |
I like compos, it's a reason to do something on the C64 again but the rules are the same like like last time, it would be better if anything changed... Whatever this is... More RAM for example.... |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
No, less RAM! :-) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
even MORE ram for intro? hilarious |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
We should be able to use all 16M of REU-RAM, otherwise a proper intro isn't possible. No, it's a fun limitation with 16K at runtime. I'll try to come up with something. |
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Dr.j
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 276 |
Should the code+gfx+sprites+screen resident the same
block (apart of the Vic + colors addresses) or they
could splitted to different locationa , but max. Ram usage: still up to $4000 bytes |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
All custom data has to be in the $4000 block you chose. Color and VIC data has to be copied where it has to be to make it work. ;) If I check RAM with ROMs turned off I need to see a max. $4000 long used block, whatever it is. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Okay, just to be sure: does it have to be NTSC fixed or not? |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
NTSC compatibility is optional. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
Phew. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
LOL @ Hein... :-) |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Still 8 days to go until deadline... Come on, you surely have some more ideas in mind! Maybe during some boring time at christmas? ;)
Non-CSDb-Users may send their entries to
didi64@quantentunnel.de |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
All entries are validated now.
Unforntunately I had to disqualify some of them:
- Bubbles Intro by The New Dimension (size limit)
- Chubby Chubby SID Chip by The New Dimension (size limit)
- Dotted Disaster Intro by Excess (size limit)
- Shitmen Intro #32 by Shitmen (no changing text message)
- UpsideDowntro by PandaLovers (size limit, no SPACE exit)
- Cashback Intro by Delysid (size limit)
If the entries are fixed until deadline, they may be back in.
Shitmen and PandaLovers entries seemed to be designed to be disqualified.
I also set 2 valid entries outside the compo because they were replaced by improved versions:
My Scary Intro by Warriors of the Wasteland
Raster-Disaster Intro by Excess |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619 |
- Maximum RAM usage is $4000 bytes at one block, at whatever location you like. Screen RAM counts as used memory. Exclusions are system addresses like VIC (inkl. Color RAM), SID, CIA, Stack, Zero-page, IRQ vectors.
That rule is one hurdle some of us had trip up on this year. :) |
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Xenox
Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87 |
Didi, sorry, but when you disqualify intros because they have no changing textlines, then you have to disqualifie some more intros because they have no textline... |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Changing text was put in as alternative to scrolltext, which was the reason to disqualify entries last year.
Quote:- Has to contain a changing or moving text message (e.g. scrolling text, different lines fading in & out, etc.) |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
BTW: I treat ghostbytes ($3fff, $7fff, $bfff, $ffff) as special VIC adresses, therefore they don't count for the memory limit. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
33 valid entries by now. Still 2,5 days to go... |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
I got a request for extending the deadline by a few days. Is there anyone else who is afraid not to be able to meet the deadline at 27th and would possibly release some more when extending the deadline for, let's say, another week? |
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Xenox
Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87 |
If we can increase the amount of entries, i think it's a good idea to extend the deadline... |
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 129 |
Yea i heard excell / ikari is working hard on his entry. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Good joke! |
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Dr.j
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 276 |
i strongly suggest didi will extend the compo in a few days,
there is atleast 1 entry which i want to make which have stopp
b'coz of a tragic issue |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
I'm sorry to be harsh, but I coded my ass off on a holiday to get things ready in time and I don't see why a competition should extend its deadline for personal reasons of contenders.
That's just your risk. Save your stuff for the next compo, better luck next time. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
I slept over it and I decided NOT to extend the deadline. It stays today midnight. Full compo runtime has been 2 month which is very much time to create an intro. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Good. Mace has a very good point. |
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Xenox
Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87 |
Oh, then i have to hurry up to finish my second intro... ;)
But Mace is right, good point... |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2070 |
Quote:
Competition runs from October 28th until December 27th, 2014 ...
Deadline for entry submission is December 27th, 2014 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm) CET.
Now cutting(!) one day of the deadline one day before the announced deadline is reached seems a little strange! |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 445 |
Time and space are illusions created by the relation of objects and moments =P |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Sorry, my fault. Of course you have until TOMORROW midnight to post your entries.
Quote:
Deadline for entry submission is December 27th, 2014 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm) CET.
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Phew! |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 243 |
\o/ |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
WOW! 40 valid entries now! More to come? Still over 1 day to go... |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
43 valid entries. Already topped the total amount of entries (incl. invalids) of last years compo! Still 11 hours to go! |
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Pantaloon
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 124 |
im posting my entry within 2 hours. |
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Scarzix
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143 |
Hope we get our little merry intro complete within deadline too.. :-) |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Will also be posting mine within two hours, I hope! |
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VIC
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 73 |
Wheee - I actually managed to recover an unreleased intro I coded in '91 |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Time is up! A damn amazing amount of 51 valid intros made it into the compo!
Thanx people, this is fucking awesome!
Now everybody is responsible that we get a fair ranking by voting for all entries. Only a high amount of individual votes guarantees a rather fair result, because it makes single strategic up- or downvoting ineffective!
Voting closes at January 3rd, 2015 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm) CET.
VOTE! VOTE VOTE! |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 445 |
Guess I voted on all the intros. Hope I didn't miss any fake/crap entry that deserves anonymous upvoting :-P |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Nice to see that several people already voted. Lowest amount of votes is 10 now. Hopefully this will go above 20-25 per entry until voting deadline to get a good final ranking. |
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Angel of Death
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 210 |
Yeah, people. Come on! (up)Vote (me)! I want to end up higher than this! |
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Axis/Oxyron
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 91 |
Haha, "Vote for us". Thats the oldschool spirit! ;o) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2070 |
Vote 10 for me and get free booze at BCC xD |
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CRT
Registered: Oct 2012
Posts: 87 |
Did vote for every entry.. Knowing how insanely corrupt CSDB voting is I did the right thing: Downloaded every single entry, ran them all on real hardware several times, sorted them and placed votes in the scale from 4 to 10 not knowing current averages.
Angel of Death, you did get my upvote. You have a nice intro/reader, both pretty and I imagine practical, should be higher than the current 6.1 imo.
I'm such a good guy, pretty and humble too.. ;-) Happy new year! |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
CRT shows the way and should be awarded the status of "Elite Voter".
Btw, vote for the CML entries in all the charts, and spread them to all your contacts! |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 445 |
Good idea CRT. Made me some disks too and now realize that I missed some intros to vote at. Still hard not to miss anyone coz stupid CSDb can't sort by alphabetical order on compopage... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
you'd think cramming together a disk with all entries would be part of organizing such compo though =P |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Collection Disk(s) will come up after ranking is done. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1055 |
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/839742/ICC2014-Votepack.zip |
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Angel of Death
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 210 |
@CRT That is very cool of you! And even if you hadn't 'upvoted' me I would still respect the way you did vote. That is the only way good to do it. Comparing all the aspects of all the products side by side.
And I am aware that we are not an AAA group and that a (buggy) entry made in 2011 without any original graphics or music will not end very high up anyway. But the true 80's spirit still is: "we're the best, fuck the rest!" :) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
thanks magervalp, without the disks and sheet I would've never voted for all entries. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Yeah! Minimum amount of votes is 26 now... well done! |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Final results are on!
Collection will come up... some time later. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
For a first time compo entry I'm pretty happy with the result :-)
Thanks for organising, already looking forward to ICC2015. |
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Dr.Science
Registered: Oct 2011
Posts: 39 |
Congratulations, Hein & 4-Mat! |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 445 |
Quote:Also many thanks to the voters who made a rather fair ranking possible!
(quoted Didi from compopage)
Still a lot of room for improvement: max was 77 votes, min was 26 votes. Would be really cool if you'd get Richard to make one of his HTML-forms (like for Tapeloader Music Compo) for the next compo to avoid this in the future.
Anyway: great compo, great entries (from first to last), congrats to the winners! :-)
And thx to Didi for kicking us in the ass to produce sth. with his compos! |
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Dr.j
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 276 |
what spider-j wrote. great intro competition. 10x Didi :-) |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 327 |
What Dr.J wrote ... Didi is a true scener, who is working hard to keep this scene alive! respect@didi.fan
Congratulation to all! |
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T.M.R
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749 |
What Shine wrot... never mind. =-)
This was a bucketload of fun to both take part in and watch the other entries from, ta very much Didi and same time next year, yeah? =-) |
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rexbeng
Registered: Aug 2012
Posts: 30 |
I dropped by to say 'thanks' to Didi for organizing this and ofcourse to the guys at ATL&F4 for asking my pixeling (well, PETSCIIing) hand for the graphics in their intro.
Working on what became my first ever full feature prod on the C64 was really fun. Actually, all these remote compos are a great thing, especially for scene 'outsiders' such as myself. :)
Hope to see more of those in '15 (oh, and happy new year). |
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 129 |
Thanks for great compo. Please arrange it during October - November next year. |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 224 |
How about this year? |
