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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847 |
The sid stealing continues! ...
... and this times it's not Timberland, but Frankmusik:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWDLsuPK280&feature=related
Jeff/ViruZ identified at 2:20 that it's his "caste camelot.sid" playing right there in the new release "3 Little Words"!
Frankmus(uck)'s myspace channel: http://www.myspace.com/frankmusik
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da Blondie
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 6 |
Quoting Groepazchaotic copyright? anyone who creates something automatically owns the copyright to his creation. end of story.
Well, although certainly not chaotic, the situation is definitely muddy.
Take HVSC, for example: while I am aware that they got express permission from some composers I am pretty sure that they do not have proper permissions for distributing much of the collection (that's only to be expected, given how the rights of many old games seems to be in Limbo). In the case of the scene musicians you could argue that they gave their permission implicitly or something like that (there's your chaotic state) but this certainly does not hold for commercially released stuff and HVSC certainly breaks copyright in many cases. Still, everybody is cool and no legal action is taken against HVSC - which is somewhat suprising, because when it comes to complete games (which have absolutely the same copyright protection as musics) the situation is wastly different, see lemon64 that carries only a few games which they are expressly licensed to distribute.
So yeah, while the legal basis is as clear as it is, the actual practice tends to ignore the law to a degree and there's some uncertainnes what is considered to be OK and what's not.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11354 |
Quote:So yeah, while the legal basis is as clear as it is, the actual practice tends to ignore the law to a degree and there's some uncertainnes what is considered to be OK and what's not.
nonsense. there is nothing uncertain about hvsc beeing illegal. |
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da Blondie
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 6 |
Oh, please.
Yes, the legal situation is clear.
BUT: No, the legal situation in itself does not clearly define with what can one get away (or even what is considered ethical) - that would be the gist of my post.
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Angel of Death
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 211 |
As far as I know copyright laws Groepaz is right. They clearly state distribution of the whole or part of a software-program as being illegal. That means in any form. A lot of people think that it is okay as long as you do not gain anything of it. (financially or otherwise)
Funny thing is: Recording a SID tune does not apply to these specific laws as it is regarded as sampling. But distribution remains distribution. And since HVSC contains exact copies of parts the sources of the music there are even, in some parts of the world, some copyright laws active concerning the code itself.
There used to be something called: "the two-second rule" (when a sample was shorter than 2 secs. it was more or less free.)
That was negated in Europe when the Art of Noise managed to delay the releasing of the Prodigy album the fat of the land for use of a shout and a snare-drum lasting a total of .8 seconds...
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goto80
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 138 |
another one...
Wermut has sampled Mindflow's song for the C64-demo Timewaster. Have a listen: http://www.enfant-terrible.nl/mp3/EnfantX_B.mp3
more here: http://wp.me/p8G37-aK |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11354 |
Quote:There used to be something called: "the two-second rule"
thats a myth, such rule never existed :) |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271 |
I am agraphic designer and deals with much variated artists as I hire some to freelance for me... over the last 20 years I have got to know what holds in artworcs, graphic design or the like... when andy warhol created alot of his work, lots of the elements were from photos and layouts and designs that belong to others, but he and lots in the ad and art ereas do the same... they alter or put them in a contex where it is different and something that ment different in mood and all... they create works that make their thoughts shine... How can one create new things without looking at the past, really? inspiration and tools or bits of art comes in alot of shapes... this is something that will never be solved... that is the truth about these issues...
Let us say that the sid artist were inspired by a beat or sound, or composings... and created something based on this... who is to blame him... when artists outside the scene do the same it is wrong? I can not truly grasp that even it is a sample put into another contex... but myself would credit or pay the ones where I got the inspiration or part from... In the music industry I really think this is the rule too... I mean, if you sample james brown you have to pay... but if you sample geir tjelta one should also pay...
Never ending story... I feel to say yes but then I say no... butthen again I say yes and so on... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11354 |
its a neverending story indeed ...
and from a sceners point of view, i would credit - but certainly not pay (or even ask) :) then again i wouldnt care if the resulting product would be considered illegal or not either =)
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271 |
My point too... I think you said it right there...
If it were for a nonprofit demo or the like I could only credit for inspiration or the use if I were polite and had the respect for the original in a way, and maybe I am not, because I am a scener in that contex, and everything goes as it is nonprofit and just for fun... the element of stealing and use it to create something good or cool or emotional is essence here, and not the profit other than scene cred or the like... but if it were a professional job, like music artist, they try to live from what they create, I think it is different... Then one should pay! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11354 |
yes of course. commercial exploitation is a totally different matter. |
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