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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11164 |
Handle id #8645 : Chris Huelsbeck
eh, why is he in the database? afaik he wasn't ever involved in the scene at all ?! |
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Grue
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 154 |
I love to see as much as possible information releases, like in this case who did the music for certain releases. If he wouldn't be in the database how would we know? And if I wanted to check all productions who used his music, how could I find them?
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Yodelking
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 189 |
What makes a person a scener?
He made music for the 64'er compo (Shades)
He made music-compilations as demos
He gave us exclusive music for the HVSC 10 years demo
I also agree with Grue that in order to be able to credit music used in various demos we need to add the musicians, even if they weren't sceners. |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 838 |
Quote:I also agree with Grue that in order to be able to credit music used in various demos we need to add the musicians, even if they weren't sceners.
I agree as well. Just take a look at Rob Hubbard's profile for a good example :P |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
I thought we dropped the topic of "improper" game industry artist entries aeons ago? They're just need to properly credit stuff. And yeah, Chris' contribution for the 10 Years HVSC musicdisk kinda makes him a scener, right? ;-) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11164 |
my point is that NOT everyone belongs here so he can be credited. hubbard belongs here with no doubt, because he was active in the scene (just like ben daglish, and JT and a lot of other musicians) :)
as for chris i'm convinced now that he was involved in some scene production, so fine :) (i wonder though how i should find these in between the gazillion production which credits him for the ripped tunes)
and no steppe we didnt drop the topic. the unrelated commercial stuff must be whiped (and will be).
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5034 |
I just love our trigger happy moderators. once you have extra rights you just ought to use it, right ? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11164 |
if you have to contribute something to the thread, do it. if not, don't. save yourself the energy of spilling random blubber into the forum, the damned nazi moderators will only delete it. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Having stupid entries about Ku Klux Klan or such in a thread isnt really needed Oswald, no wonder I removed it.
...and what Groepaz said! |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
What Trazan said. I think Groepaz's considerations are valid. I don't think we will start a big cleaning now. Only keep in mind when adding/editing entries if it belongs to the C64 Scene Database and if someone finds potential stuff not belonging there is always chance to discuss here. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Ok, point taken Groepaz, and on the whole I agree, sure. I honestly thought we were done with the topic of, let me call it "bystander scener entries". Maybe there's a way to flag them as such, I don't know. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
The possibility to flag entries as "non-sceners" would be useful. Martin Galway f.ex. was never part of the scene, still I'd hate it to see him removed from CSDb. There are a bunch more of people like this, especially musicians... I personally think they have to stay here for several reasons, one of them being the possibility to give complete credits for releases with ripped music. |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 838 |
Down to it all, any release featuring certain musical scores needs to show proof of the author who composed it, and even though that Chris was not much of a scener according to groepaz, his profile (or at least his handle) needs to be here to show the proof.
I quite agree with Zyron's idea as well. Maybe that could be a new feature? |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1635 |
I agree with Steppe/Zyron/crd. Such a flag would be useful. Another possibility would be to have a flag indicating whether the [something] that someone is credited for, in relation to a specific release, was intended for this specific release or not.
This would capture ripped music. It would ALSO capture cases such as loaders. If one looks at Krill's page here on CSDb for example, I think it looks a bit weird being credited in so many productions on an equal basis with true participating in the development of this production, and is hard to "navigate" in a sense close to the case with musicians being credited zillions of times for the same thing.
Dunno... Just a thought. On the other hand I guess that there are many cases where it is impossible to know, since it is so long ago and much info is lost, whether some piece of music really was intended for this or that production and so on. So, in the end I guess that's a bad idea. :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11164 |
flagging such entries somehow sounds good to me, and also what frantic says, i dont like the credits for loaders a lot either =P
however, i don't agree with "they must stay so we can give proper credits". ultimativly that would mean that everyone who ever did something commercially for the c64 has to be added, because at some point a scener ripped his music/sprites/charset/gfx/whatever. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5034 |
Quote: if you have to contribute something to the thread, do it. if not, don't. save yourself the energy of spilling random blubber into the forum, the damned nazi moderators will only delete it.
yes, I had. But the moderators deleted it. Thanks. and my contribution is that I think that splitting people into sceners and not sceners, and based on that criteria deleting people like chris huelsbeck from csdb is just as stupid as splitting people into blacks and whites.
we're talking about someone here that contributed more to the c64 history with his music than many many many sceners. so I couldnt care less if he is black (non scener). he belongs here.
do we have moderations rules, or from now on trazan and creamd @ co. will wipe out my comments on own will ? they already did it on other threads where my comments werent even offending at all. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Very good of you Oswald, but next time, instead of writing nonsense, like Ku Klux Klan, write something that people might actually understand and not find offensive - or the usual Oswald crap, all out of topic or such.
Yes, we moderators, no, I am , just one of those idiots/lamers/insert any thing, who actually think there IS a difference inbetween IRC and actually TRYING to have ONE serious place for C64 related matters. CSDB.
Groepaz asks about Chris Huelsbeck should or should not be in the database, ppl air their thoughts and believe me, we are NOT removing anything thats adding value to any thread and dicsussion - however, your last 2 posts did not - I simply removed them.
Rules for moderators; Sure: "Out of topic/nonsense/offending posts to stir up a fight - Removal"
We all think different about this and do leave a reason open for mods to view when censoring a post. All mods can uncensor the post aswell. No Moderator did uncensor your 2 last posts. Guess why?
Peace
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5034 |
I will just stop posting. the forums has lost their former freedom with adding you, watching like CIA agents every damned letter. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Ok |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
Good. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11164 |
Quote:
we're talking about someone here that contributed more to the c64 history with his music than many many many sceners. so I couldnt care less if he is black (non scener). he belongs here.
strange understanding of "scene database" imho. so ppl like minter, breben, the darling brothers should be here too? i think not.
oh, and if you want even more "freedom" go to lemon and see what comes out of moderation that doesnt work. csdb has been almost there, and i'm sure i'm not the only one who is glad that its slowly back to normal.
and now another thread went down the drain... :/ |
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Stan
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 187 |
Quote: The possibility to flag entries as "non-sceners" would be useful. Martin Galway f.ex. was never part of the scene, still I'd hate it to see him removed from CSDb. There are a bunch more of people like this, especially musicians... I personally think they have to stay here for several reasons, one of them being the possibility to give complete credits for releases with ripped music.
This is it. I think this especially is valid for a huge number of musicians. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
I like the flag-thingy as well and Im close to suggesting to put all forum-stuff to an end here and make this a mere database. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
What is the story about 'Chris Huelsbeck' and 'Chris Hülsbeck'? He uses the earlier one also on his website http://www.huelsbeck.com.
Did he officially make a slight name change when he moved to the US? And if yes, when exactly? (he moved houses in 1998)
edit: of course my question targets if he officially changed the spelling of his name, like in documents, passport etc. |
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SIDWAVE
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
"ue" is the english way to write "ü", its no namechange.
Americans just cant or wont write ü .. |
