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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Release id #102672 : Star Battle +D
Submitted by Zyron [PM] on 11 November 2011
Rekrul did not supply me this game. Period.
If you feel an urge to continue the discussion on who to credit for what and where please start a topic in the forum.
Thanks.
Submitted by Sixx/G¤P [PM] on 11 November 2011
The fact is that this was indeed taken from a forum, like 100+ releases before. The facts still remains that that dosn't make the forum poster the original supplier, that's just not how it works. If he supplied it to a group he would ofcoure had got credits for the supply. Now move on to the next release you could moan over, and stop using "lol" all the time, you look like some bitching teen girl.
Submitted by STE'86 [PM] on 11 November 2011
WOW! so a game no one had ever heard of till last week was uploaded last week, still protected, to Lemon. was cracked the same day by Pete. and appears 2 days later cracked by you guys. and neither the original by uploaded by Rekrul OR the crack by Pete was used at all. Thats some spooky coincidence.
@Sixx... YES IT FCKING DOES!
Submitted by JCB [PM] on 11 November 2011
I'll lol as much as I like because you're funny as fuck and I seriously am laughing my ass off at some of these posts.
You start bitching about people just questioning a credit, then you turn into a juvenile and start the moan team attacks, when that doesn't work you bring up CNET, something nobody has mentioned for a loooong time. Now it's every second post has us ruining it? So childish attacks, over-exaggeration, what next? oh yeah, personal "bitching teen girl" And you expect us to take you seriously or have a sensible discussion (something I've been trying to do on Lemon) |
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JCB
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Submitted by Sixx/G¤P on 11 November 2011
You both had/have serious issues trying to communicate with people on the scene since you came back. I never used the word MoanTeam or brought up the whole CNET fiasco discussion before but this time i had to make a stand. All you do is bitch and moan and i'm fed up with it. I put time and effort into the scene for the fun of it, but this bitching and drama ALL THE FUCKING time is a motivation killer for suree. Back in the days we would rag on each other with the difference that there always was a sence of homour and respect behind the words. You just bitch and moan for the sake of it, that's the reason why the majority of the scene laugh behind your backs and call you MoanTeam, sad really looking at the quality and dedication you both put into the scene. End of discussion for me, stay true to yourself and you'll never fall. Peace.
Thought I'd copy/paste that here...
There is no ALL THE FUCKING TIME. There's no "serious issues" You're seeing crap that's not there because you think we're somehow attacking YOU because it's a GP release.
Of the X number of thousand releases on this site I've probably commented on a few, argued in threads on a few subjects (which were never resolved as anyone being right or wrong) and had to take shit over my own releases which I've pretty much ignored instead of calling the posters names. The fact that people who obviously don't like us for whatever reason KEEP bringing up moan team crap and cnet (which we've never done more than defend in one thread as a vaild bit of C64 history) is why you keep seeing it. Those people are the ones with no argument to put forward so they resort to the same petty crap over and over. Go back and find threads we've been involved in some kind of crap and you'll see the same names in there ;)
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Rough
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Hahaha. This is ridicolous. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
I was away for some 2 hours picking up 2 c64:s and when I come back: this! Haha! Now it's time for a glass of wine. Entertain me. (Oh. I had saomething to say too: STE'86 should read the threads before opening his mouth). |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
frankly...
fuck you.
you did nothing other than download an original file provided by another scener (Rekrul), emailed it and then slapped yet another undeserved and totally meaningless credit on it.
glory to the great "crackers" of the c64 scene indeed.
laughable |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
@STE, frankly: i want to make love to your pixelwork, because I love it, but I never wanna meet you. You seem to be a not very nice guy.
One more thing, since when did Rekrul become a scener? If he is he should have supplied us, or someone else, with the game instead of putting it online in public.
I don't decide the rules, so stop being a jerk. Push some pixels and calm down. I don't get it. Why are you and JCB all freaked out? Were you born yesterday? |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
well.
point 1.
Rekrul is a scener by the very virtue that he posts on Lemon and provided an original to crack.
which brings me to point 2.
the title of his thread that he uploaded the ORIGINAL to was... "Would anyone like to try CRACKING this game?"
which to say is an invitation to ALL crackers to have a go at this game.
pretty good circumstantial evidence so far..
point 3.
you downloaded said ORIGINAL from that thread and apparently sent it to be cracked. Now in England we would call this "taking the kings shilling" (google it). you accepted apparently his challenge and then uploaded the cracked version of the ORIGINAL he uploaded to this website with YOUR name as supplying said original.
and you don't think anyone should object to that, why exactly? |
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JCB
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I am in no way freaked out simply asked a question and got a load of grief for it as usual. I hadn't even asked about the supply credit on here, just about Zyron's missing crack credit. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2924 |
Rekul isn't a scener, posting on Lemon64 doesn't mean someone is a scener. Same applies for people posting on CNET, not sceners.
Fact is, all groups have pulled "original supplies" from forums, websites, etc. in the recent past. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
Beg to differ but Rekrul, if he wasn't already, became a "scener" the pico second he uploaded a game no one had, to be cracked.
it's in the rules. Original supplier.
just like most of your credits.
and coming from someone that no fcker in the real scene has ever heard of, the second bit is just plain HILARIOUS. |
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JCB
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Thanks Moloch, proved my point nicely. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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"Posting on Lemon64 makes someone a scener" Where is that written? Please, post some details, this should be good for a laugh.
"Beg to differ but Rekrul, if he wasn't already, became a "scener" the pico second he uploaded a game no one had, to be cracked." Nope, uploading something to the web doesn't make a scener either.
All of this is a fun read. If posting to Lemon64 makes a scener, then STE needs to get busy adding about 3000 more entries here ... lots of damn sceners need to be added ASAP! Get on it, you really care so much Moaner #1.
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
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Good points Moloch.
Now, if you excuse, I need to get drunk on some whisky and enjoy my pipe. Have no more time for people behaving like trolls. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
"Nope, uploading something to the web doesn't make a scener"
It does if they post it as an undiscovered original on one of the 2 main c64 scene sites with a thread title saying basically "crack me" it classifies them as "original supplier" just like you.
so if they aren't valid, then why are you on here? |
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JCB
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I think some people need to look up and more importantly understand the definition of troll before pointing their trolly fingers. ;) |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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STE ...
It's quite obvious you're confusing "community" and "scene".
community != scene
My two last questions still stand, please quote said rules for all to read. Until you post those rules, all of your comments are simply trollbait.
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
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I live in fucking Scandinavia. I know what a troll smells like. You guys should know how the scene works, and has done for many years. Why put all this energy on this release? Why didn't you get furious before? That's why I consider this behaviour trolling. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
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No sorry not going away. the instant Rekrul uploaded that original file to be cracked and it was taken up by Genesis project, in time honoured tradition he became an original supplier.
you show me where it says that an original supplier had to be part of a crew or upload to a specific place.
and I will point you at Div distribution who was one of europe's biggest original suppliers and was a solo player with links to many famous groups credited and greeted on shedloads of cracks.
just doesnt wash mate. Rekrul supplied it and deserves the credit for the "find" |
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JCB
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Please understand, nobody is "furious" just simply wanted rekrul to at least get some credit for what he'd done FOR the scene by uploading an unknown game. Call him a scener or not HE supplied the original, give him credit or not? That's the question. Turning a discussion into a petty name calling argument is pointless and counter productive ;) Appearing in a discussion you've had no part in and basically saying CNETer != scener IS trolling. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
@Hedning.
because this WAS an original game. not a poxy recrack. you DID just take what he took the time to transfer and upload and claim it for yourself.
and you have a very short memory. do you not remember the conversation about your group getting 1 votes and their relationship to sticking "crack" credits on new games and previews with no protection just a few short weeks ago?
Steve
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
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Rekrul was kind enough to dump the game and upload it to a public place where anyone could pick it up. He even cared to write the topic "Can anyone crack this game?" I supplied the g64 to Zyron. He did the crack. G*P did a release. This is how it worked and works. Hooray! Everyone is happy. Scene moves on (except this time, it seems). Sometimes I buy games on ebay or other places and supply them that way. Or find stuff in the dumpster, on the interwebz or anywhere else. I did not take any other credit than providing Zyron with the g64 file. That is what it means.
And yes, I seem to have forgotten what discussion that may have something to do with this delicate subject. Enlighten me.
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
FFS Rekrul supplied the original right of the ORIGINAL disk you just bloody mailed it.
credit yourself as "postman" if you must.
and to jumpstart your seemingly dodgy memory...
I commented to you after you bitched about 1 votes that maybe they would change if your group stopped crediting "cracks" (L.A. Style in that case) to preview games that weren't even bloody protected.
and you complied and miraculously the votes changed. so you see we have "discussed" your groups crediting criteria before. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
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Yeah, you were as charming then as you are today, roaring "fucking" this and that. I also stated: "So you think people actually are so stupid that they vote for what they think of the credits rather than the release? Interesting phenomena."
Seems true to this day. In what way is our release a 1 or 2 on the scale?
This discussion is meningless. But hey! I know! You seem like a man with a lot of energy. Why not search csdb for more releases that originally were found on the net? Maybe you can find other places where you can moan a little too, so I can drink my whisky in peace? |
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JCB
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People's reasons and motivation for voting is anything but obvious ;) |
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The Overkiller
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Hedning your bottle should be empty after 3hrs of this mess :D |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
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Quote: Hedning your bottle should be empty after 3hrs of this mess :D
It is not - I have red wine too! And I seem to have bitched around with STE all night instead of focusing on my glass o' grog. :/ |
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E$G
Registered: Dec 2007
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Don't get mad guyZ ... personally I would have given credz to redkrul and at least if hedning wish to be happy also to him (he must be happy red wine in full veins circle makes you happy:))
personally i din't like the game too so i won't downvote ... this is a perfect case where's the intro is valuable than the release ... but somebody has to do it!
I don't know if rekrul know what's goin' on ... he wished to do a present to the scene but something went wrong ... maybe he doesn't care so much and if we do a poll here I'm sure will be totally divided about who deserve the original supply credits ...
I'm sure that tomorrow all will be ok ... let's empty our glasses and raise 'em ... another day in c64 scene is gone ... more to come stay tuned :)
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
"In what way is our release a 1 or 2 on the scale?"
bullshit credits, and blatant lies will do it for me everytime. ask moloch.
gratz on your amnesia clearing up too.
best of luck with your "scene" because if that's what its all about then it's a poor, shabby shadow of the original.
and as for the nasty man picking on you. "credit where credit's due" would have solved that yesterday. |
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JCB
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A crack with a crack credit when no cracking was done and a picture with a graphics credit when it's a wire. Downvote based on the bullshit credit or upvote based on the result? Both might be valid (I like to see amazing graphics on the C64 as much as the next guy) but certainly a downvote isn't unjustified. If people see credits they don't agree with or think are wrong, why shouldn't they downvote? It's not like votes on this site "mean" anything anyway and it's one of the less obtrusive ways of expressing an opinion ;)
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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i think i will start crediting some pictures to whoever really created them now. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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"Posting on Lemon64 makes someone a scener" Where is that written? Please, post some details, this should be good for a laugh.
"Beg to differ but Rekrul, if he wasn't already, became a "scener" the pico second he uploaded a game no one had, to be cracked." Nope, uploading something to the web doesn't make a scener either.
Still waiting bloody wazzock ... please produce the writings! |
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
are you wearing your mod hat or your troll hat today groepy?
just so we know in case anything gets mysteriously deleted from THIS argument... like a certain other one.
wow sixx.
maybe you should enter one of the art compos. then you would have a real credit to confirm your elite status as a scener instead of the ones you have.
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494 |
to put the cat among the pigeons, who gives a shit about original suppliers anyways? :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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thats infact the essence. who gives a damn, go lick some stamps. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
well you say csdb requires credits. so lets have the right ones. thats it...
in essence. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
but it IS the right one. "original supplier" in this context means "the guy who gave the original to the cracker". no more no less. it doesnt matter who put it on the store shelve or who bought it or who uploaded it. never did, never will. Just like it doesnt matter who created the original image that someone used as a source for his c64 picture. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
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not when the supplier in question specifically transfers from disk and uploads it to a scene hangout with the thread title which basically says "crack me" with an invitation to all cracking groups to do so.
thats not a passive upload. thats an active scene supply. hence...
ORIGINAL SUPPLIER
now show me in your "scene" rules where this doesnt apply! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
you totally have an idea how the cracking scene works, indeed. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
come on. trawl your cracking rules and show me how Rekrul didnt actively supply an original to the cracking scene.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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it doesnt matter, he didnt supply it to the cracker. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
C'mon STE, it's been said many times already. You should know this by now. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2218 |
On the one hand, claiming supply credz for stuff which is online might be a silly thing, so why not simply remove the credit? The world won't stop turning, neither will someone think worse of hedning. On the other hand, downvoting a crack for such unimportant reasons seems just as silly to me.
The only thing I learned here this year is that any arguing/justifying just fuels the fire. The whole discussion is just one more example of why CSDb deserves its reputation of an uberleet drama queen kindergarten. I don't care very much anymore, though, since I think we just have to accept that some people like playing scene cops and enjoy the resulting shitstorms. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
all i KNOW zyron. is that somebody other than Hedning supplied that for ALL the crackers to have a go at.
you can't get a much more straightforward statement than what he posted.
and claiming "that's the way it works" and "those are the rules, but i can't show you them" changes that not one iota |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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i will close this thread now. the point has been made. continue the crap at lemon if you must. |
