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King Durin
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Release id #163712 : MGM Lion
If a PAL demo is split into a separate demo for NTSC, and only distributed in the USA as the split demo, does it count as a separate release? |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
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your so called "ntsc" demo, is flickering (rasterbars) like hell. dont know what you are talking about here. i have my doubts that a single part, not fixed to ntsc, was spread official by the group (MDA) on any boards. plus, i have doubts that mda was on the us boards active ;) |
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King Durin
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Do you mean the credits screens were flickering? I've been testing this for days with NTSC VICE and I have noticed flickering on that portion, but the lion part is rock solid with both NTSC and PAL. The loader I made looks find on PAL and NTSC as well with VICE, but of course the music is slow on PAL. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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what counts is how it was spread originally, by the creators, not how some lamers ripped it apart for street credz on some ntsc bbs. |
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King Durin
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I thought the purpose of this site was to preserve the scene, as it was and happened. Because you do not like a release doesn't mean that it's not historically important. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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the point is that this isnt a release. someone downloading someone elses demo and then uploading parts of it somewhere else doesnt make it a new release. at all.
ironically, your linking of your BBS intro DOES make it a new release. a pretty lame one, but still... :=) |
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King Durin
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Regardless of your opinion of my intro (I don't really care if anyone likes it; it was a learning experience for me and that's all I care about), the release of just the MGM Lion in the USA is significant. It impacted a lot of people and had a far greater reach than the PAL-centric sections of the original demo would have as most NTSC sceners would have stopped watching with the glitching. |
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chatGPZ
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Quote:the release of just the MGM Lion in the USA is significant.
there was no such release. until now. |
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King Durin
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Quote: Quote:the release of just the MGM Lion in the USA is significant.
there was no such release. until now.
Are you so stuck on being right that you have to ignore the fact that this release was widely distributed in NTSC land? |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
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Do you have record on who uploaded it. I doubt it was from any of the Modern Arts. Or it might and then a clever promotion?
I guess the question arises regarding if some local swapper from across the seas just had one part working on the NTSC-system back then and decided the Pal-version, not like our days back here, had to stay. And you where left with one remarkable part snatched from the demo.. (discimage). Not seldomly also done here in the east. Don't know how many "Lords" demos we had to watch, nonefunctional...
Regardless, that intro and that demo really was the shit back in the day. GraphixMania II/MDA. Still is. And if it goes back to any particular interest/members of the US-board, well then it's top stuff. i'd say, keep the separate file, just for the history (Edit: And discussion) of how things travelled from east to west (look into it further), sometimes stripping complete products just for the least functional spread (afterall, it wasn't top priority getting demos to work or possible, but games). |
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King Durin
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I wish I could remember the name of the BBS and Sysop I got it from. It was at a BBS party and by the time we started viewing demos (had to wait for the sysop to get drunk enough to take the BBS down so we could play demos off the Lt. Kernal) I was pretty loaded myself. I was brought there by a friend I did disk swaps with, so I didn't really know where I was headed to begin with, I just know it was in Antioch, TN (a suburb of Metropolitan Nashville, TN).
I'll do some googling and see what I can dig up. |
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King Durin
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I cannot believe it. I found the board!
http://bbslist.textfiles.com/615/oldschool.html
The 13th Floor in Antioch, TN run by Jay Campey on Image 1.2. |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
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Cool! Keep at it, I think it's interresting! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:Are you so stuck on being right that you have to ignore the fact that this release was widely distributed in NTSC land?
i totally acknowledge that part of this demo was widely distributed in NTSC land. even if that might just be an anecdote.
however, it still doesnt make a single part of a certain demo a seperate release. |
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King Durin
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I found a Jay Campey in Tennessee on Facebook. I've reached out to him to see if I got the right guy. I hope to hear back soon. |
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King Durin
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Quote: Quote:Are you so stuck on being right that you have to ignore the fact that this release was widely distributed in NTSC land?
i totally acknowledge that part of this demo was widely distributed in NTSC land. even if that might just be an anecdote.
however, it still doesnt make a single part of a certain demo a seperate release.
What exactly constitutes a release in your mind? |
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Golara
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I can't believe you're still discussing this King Durin.
If I make a 5 parts for my megademo and release it as such.. "Golara's greatest hits" and then someone rips one of the parts and uploads it it doesn't make a new demo, a new release. What you say about this part being so super popular in USA deserves a trivia comment on the page of the original demo at best. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
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Now the release exists, it's released in 2018 by king durin and lame as you want but it stays, it's even NTSC "fixed" because it's simply looping forever in PAL. Go ahead, nothing more to see here. |
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King Durin
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Turns out the guy on facebook is indeed the actual Jay Campey. We had a great chat about the party and he remembers me from his BBS. He even has the LU archives (in DNP format) from his BBS and passed them along to me (unfortunately he sold the Lt. Kernal earlier this year). He had not visited CSDb before so I told him to check it out and I entered his BBS and his scener info on here while I was chatting with him. Turns out the party was in 1993, not 1990, so I was in my second try at college, and it was mostly alcohol powered, so my memory is a bit fuzzy from those years, but he did say that after he got drunk that he was giving demos of the bbs and making disks for people. It was the only party he had run and it was specifically put together to get one of his users over there so he could hit on her. Well, he succeeded and they got married.
However, I haven't been able to find this demo in his DNP files, but I haven't opened them all and run them yet. I'm going to spend the next few days cataloging those archives and see what all might be missing here. If I don't find that demo I have a suspicion of where I might have gotten it from, so I'll try to get ahold of that sysop and see if he has anything archived. |
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King Durin
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I found the demo from his BBS. It was on his "pr0n" download partition, not his demos partition. It's filename is "mgm lion -dm"
So, the question is what to do with it? Do you guys want it uploaded to the entry for original demo, or added to the entry I created, or do nothing at all with it? |
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King Durin
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I found a lot of imports that weren't on here yet. Uploaded them. Tried to decipher as much of the text as I could to get the credits, but some of the intros were really bad with text you couldn't read. |
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Street Tuff
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 88 |
nice demo. reminds me a bit about this...
Drama Queens
found it on my pr0n csdb links... |
