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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Release id #175656 : Space Beer
Can anyone else check this one a real 1541. Me and a friend tried multiple drives and c64’s, and we are only lucky using 1541-II. (1541, 1571, Oceanic fails). Strange. |
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map
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 27 |
Hi,
I quickly did a test with a 1541-II and a 1571.
With 1571 the intro starts for a few seconds until the scroll should rotate the first time but does not continue.
With the 1541-II the intro of the demo does not even start.
:-( |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
We were discussing the possibility that the loader was only tested on 1541 Ultimate (or worst case only Vice?), thus not taking in account the somewhat quirky and different speeds of normal drives. That might be the reason, but is just a theory. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Yes, you can always blame the loader. Which of course was only ever tested on emulators, if at all. Possibly the dude just hacked in the code without ever running it. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11111 |
Another demonstration of why compos should use real hardware, drive included :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
The demo uses Krill's Loader, Repository Version 166 - try and see if the test program that comes with the archive works with your drives.
As for 1571, yes, there was a bug that i found while working on Krill's Loader, Repository Version 184 - for which Space Beer was one of my test demos.
IIRC, the older version worked fine on any 1541 variant that i happen to own. Yes, actual real brick-and-mortar drives.
I'll make a build with the new version tonight and post a link here. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3132 |
<Post edited by iAN CooG on 20/5-2020 13:35>
Deal with it, most people don't care anymore to use actual C64 HW or as in this case a real 1541 drive, it's too convenient and faster. It's funny to think that I was addressed as an emulamer for years because I haven't touched a real C64 setup since 1995 and doing all my stuff on PC only, now it has become the norm for almost everyone.
We can test dual/multi SID tunes, REU, EF, SFX FM tunes etcetc, without even owning the actual HW. The downside is that a release might work in emulators only, and the fact this has been noticed so long after the release, means that almost nobody ever cared to run on real HW so far. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Yes, my towers o' drives are possibly just made of vapour, too. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Yes, you can always blame the loader. Which of course was only ever tested on emulators, if at all. Possibly the dude just hacked in the code without ever running it.
I never blamed you. I was asking in the loader somehow was optimized by the demo coder in a way that was too fast for real drives? :) |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Another demonstration of why compos should use real hardware, drive included :)
+1 |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Deal with it, most people don't care anymore to use actual C64 HW or as in this case a real 1541 drive, it's too convenient and faster. It's funny to think that I was addressed as an emulamer for years because I haven't touched a real C64 setup since 1995 and doing all my stuff on PC only, now it has become the norm for almost everyone.
We can test dual/multi SID tunes, REU, EF, SFX FM tunes etcetc, without even owning the actual HW. The downside is that a release might work in emulators only, and the fact this has been noticed so long after the release, means that almost nobody ever cared to run on real HW so far.
<Post edited by hedning on 20/5-2020 13:45>
Still real hw is the benchmark and standard. If not, we are not a C64 scene anymore. Deal with it.
At the compo they ran it on real hw, of course, but with the 1541U2. I actually run into the problem after the compo, because I still transfer releases to real disks and put in my diskboxes, but at the time I just thought it was a bad disk. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Please discuss emu vs real hardware in another thread, this is not the problem here. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Quoting hedningI never blamed you. I was asking in the loader somehow was optimized by the demo coder in a way that was too fast for real drives? :) I did not notice any tampering, build seemed clean without modifications. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Please discuss emu vs real hardware in another thread, this is not the problem here.
True. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: The demo uses Krill's Loader, Repository Version 166 - try and see if the test program that comes with the archive works with your drives.
As for 1571, yes, there was a bug that i found while working on Krill's Loader, Repository Version 184 - for which Space Beer was one of my test demos.
IIRC, the older version worked fine on any 1541 variant that i happen to own. Yes, actual real brick-and-mortar drives.
I'll make a build with the new version tonight and post a link here.
Will do! This is interesting. I always have two 1541-II, a 1571 and one Oceanic on my desk, so I'll give them a spin later today.
Please try this current version of the demo on your drives as well. |
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map
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 27 |
Maybe the patches mentioned in the Goofs-section in the CSDB-Entry of the Loader have not be considered?
https://csdb.dk/release/?id=169364&show=goof#goof |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Maybe the patches mentioned in the Goofs-section in the CSDB-Entry of the Loader have not be considered?
https://csdb.dk/release/?id=169364&show=goof#goof
<Post edited by hedning on 20/5-2020 17:41>
Might be that, because the test prg from Krill works fine on all my drives (2x 1541-II, 1571 and one Oceanic); at least they don't crash. Nice loader <3 |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Quoting mapMaybe the patches mentioned in the Goofs-section in the CSDB-Entry of the Loader have not be considered?
https://csdb.dk/release/?id=169364&show=goof#goof Good point. Indeed, the patches were not applied in the 3 months after they were posted.
Will make two builds, then, one with patched v166, one with v184. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
Quote: Another demonstration of why compos should use real hardware, drive included :)
+1 |
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Knut Clausen
Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 18 |
As far as I remember, no tampering on the loader code from me. Demo was tested on my 1541-II and 1541 Ultimate before the party. Some party coding was not tested on real drive, though. (As noted in the goofs).
Please let me know if I can be of any help. (Although I do have an unreadable scroll to finish..) |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: As far as I remember, no tampering on the loader code from me. Demo was tested on my 1541-II and 1541 Ultimate before the party. Some party coding was not tested on real drive, though. (As noted in the goofs).
Please let me know if I can be of any help. (Although I do have an unreadable scroll to finish..)
Knut, my love! <3 Did you use the loader code with or without the bugfixes posted by Krill? Might be that? |
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Knut Clausen
Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 18 |
None of the bugfixes were added. :) |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: None of the bugfixes were added. :)
:O |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
I guess it's the 1571 bug then... Crashing my Oceanic too. Strange the demo seems to work fine only on 1541-II then, and not 1541. |
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map
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 27 |
Quoting hedningI guess it's the 1571 bug then... Crashing my Oceanic too. Strange the demo seems to work fine only on 1541-II then, and not 1541.
..except my 1541-II then. :-( |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: I guess it's the 1571 bug then... Crashing my Oceanic too. Strange the demo seems to work fine only on 1541-II then, and not 1541.
The test failed on a 1541 after 2 minutes though. My friend's. More testing will be posted. But writing and loading works on the same 1541 for at least 9 minutes... that is funny. I would say it's the 1571 bugfix that weren't added. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Quoting hedningI guess it's the 1571 bug then... Crashing my Oceanic too. Strange the demo seems to work fine only on 1541-II then, and not 1541.
..except my 1541-II then. :-(
Sad. And it was cleaned? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Quoting hedningI guess it's the 1571 bug then... Crashing my Oceanic too. Strange the demo seems to work fine only on 1541-II then, and not 1541. The 1571 bugfix was invented only for v184, and it applies to 1571 only. Unless for some weird reason the 1571 code gets uploaded to the Oceanic, which would be quite an interesting phenomenon. Anyways. Please hold your horses for a bit until the two links get posted here. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11111 |
Can't we just blame it on real hardware noone uses anyway? Dead like IFFL! |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Can't we just blame it on real hardware noone uses anyway? Dead like IFFL!
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Quoting hedningI guess it's the 1571 bug then... Crashing my Oceanic too. Strange the demo seems to work fine only on 1541-II then, and not 1541. The 1571 bugfix was invented only for v184, and it applies to 1571 only. Unless for some weird reason the 1571 code gets uploaded to the Oceanic, which would be quite an interesting phenomenon. Anyways. Please hold your horses for a bit until the two links get posted here.
Will hold my horses for you any day. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Okay, so.
https://krill.e2m.io/fossil-space_beer-loader-v166-patched.d64
https://krill.e2m.io/fossil-space_beer-loader-v184.d64
I don't care much about old shit, but please report any problems related to the current-as-of-writing-this v184. =) |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Okay, so.
https://krill.e2m.io/fossil-space_beer-loader-v166-patched.d64
https://krill.e2m.io/fossil-space_beer-loader-v184.d64
I don't care much about old shit, but please report any problems related to the current-as-of-writing-this v184. =)
1541-II v166-patched.d64: works fine. 184: works fine.
Oceanic: v166-patched.d64: stalls at first Fjalldata logo. 184 : works fine
1571: v166-patched.d64: stalls at the first Fjalldata logo. 184 : works fine.
Seems that Knut forgot to include the bugfixes, as already mentioned.. Case closed? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
If the patched v166 doesn't work, Knut is not to blame. =)
But good to see that v184 works fine.
Still need to update to catch up in Sparta's benchmark, though.
But need to finish something else first. First things first. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: If the patched v166 doesn't work, Knut is not to blame. =)
But good to see that v184 works fine.
Still need to update to catch up in Sparta's benchmark, though.
But need to finish something else first. First things first.
Ok. Knut is the best. <3 |
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Knut Clausen
Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 18 |
:D thanks for letting me off the hook, guys.
I'd still like to fix my sync-bug and do a release with updated loader, though. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: :D thanks for letting me off the hook, guys.
I'd still like to fix my sync-bug and do a release with updated loader, though.
Do it! I love this demo! |
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map
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 27 |
Quoting hedning1541-II v166-patched.d64: works fine. 184: works fine.
Oceanic: v166-patched.d64: stalls at first Fjalldata logo. 184 : works fine
1571: v166-patched.d64: stalls at the first Fjalldata logo. 184 : works fine.
Seems that Knut forgot to include the bugfixes, as already mentioned.. Case closed?
Same results with the new builds on my drives. Nice and shiny again :-) |
