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MuZZa
Registered: Nov 2020
Posts: 16 |
Group id #11406 : Neonazi Cracking Crew
Hi all, I remember when we wanted to register on CSDB. almost a year requesting to we be admitted (literally a year asking to be allowed to create an account) for we be able to upload our stuff... And suddenly, by magic, we see that a group that proclaims itself "neonazi" with only one release during the '87, has an entry in the database. Sorry guys, it's inevitable for us, to ask ourselves, which is the objective of giving visibility to a group called NEONAZI... also that it doesn't even have big productions to be considered of importance for the demoscene (not even mentioning them).
if you have a table with 10 people and a nazi. So, you have a table with 11 nazis ... we are not sitting at that table.
Without the intention of generating discussion.
Moderator you can close this thread.
Best Regards,
The Codeblasters. |
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MuZZa
Registered: Nov 2020
Posts: 16 |
Quote: The motivation is to document what the scene released and releases. No more no less. That includes the shitty releases and the good releases.
And that particular release doesnt even contain "Nazi Propaganda".
You are mixing two different things. One thing is what you consider to be a good or bad release (which is totally subjective). Another is what is propaganda. "Neonazi" for us in the name of the group is enough propaganda to kick their asses to the fucking hell and obviously not to even mention them as content generators. They offend only with the name. We understand the purpose of the database, there was no need to explain it. The criticism is oriented to the fact that this type of content should not even be admitted.
cheers |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3132 |
Muzza: by your reasoning all copies of Mein Kampf should be burnt and forgotten but it's even available on amazon if you want it.
Documenting also the bad things helps not repeating the same errors, or at least that should be the intention =)
You would be surprised how many pseudo nazi/commies/racist/every kind of extremisms (and other human stupidities) are found in some old C64 groups, you only spotted just one that have a obvious hint in their name.
Don't make it ruin your day. |
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MuZZa
Registered: Nov 2020
Posts: 16 |
Quote: Muzza: by your reasoning all copies of Mein Kampf should be burnt and forgotten but it's even available on amazon if you want it.
Documenting also the bad things helps not repeating the same errors, or at least that should be the intention =)
You would be surprised how many pseudo nazi/commies/racist/every kind of extremisms (and other human stupidities) are found in some old C64 groups, you only spotted just one that have a obvious hint in their name.
Don't make it ruin your day.
hi Ian! If I'm completely honest with you, I think that the sale of mein kampf should be absolutely prohibited (not forgotten but prohibited). With a single copy available in a library, it's enough for any idiot to think of himself as belonging to a superior race. And to ruin my day...trust me, I have enough with the nazis who flutter around in Spain like flies...for that reason I clarified that it was a declaration of principles and that I had no intention of generating discussion. cheers! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
Quote:You are mixing two different things.
nope. you are trying to make it different things. there is no reason whatsoever to not document those releases. documenting them is in no way related to acknowledging them, condemning them, or whatever else. Think of a history book. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
The funny thing is that their group name and that one release can be offensive only with historical context.
There doesn't seem to be any actual racist, fascist or otherwise objectionable text or speech contained. The intro scrolltext is perfectly innocuous.
If some person or extraterrestrial alien who'd never heard of Nazis, some guy called Adolf or repurposed swastikas checked out that crack, they wouldn't bat an eyelid. =) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
As IAN said, there are way more questionable things in old C64 releases (including actual nazi propaganda). And documenting that fact is a good thing in my book - removing it serves little purpose. |
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MuZZa
Registered: Nov 2020
Posts: 16 |
Quote: As IAN said, there are way more questionable things in old C64 releases (including actual nazi propaganda). And documenting that fact is a good thing in my book - removing it serves little purpose.
Do any of these groups with all this propaganda do you really believe that they have contributed in some constructive way to the demoscene? Or they have just done what they usually do, which is to keep spreading their hatred and their shit. Sorry friend, but I still don't share your reasoning, although I fully understand what you are saying. Anyway, thanks for the answers, this exchange has helped us. We continue to discover groups and people from the demoscene that for years we didn't know. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1821 |
CSDb for quite some time does not only cover "contributions" but indeed many debatable entries - and sceners :)
We have seen about anything from text hacks of normal games to spread hate, race tests, shooting Gadaffis children, racist or abusive samples, cartridges with Trump speech, Skinhead, Majesty - *WE* tolerate, laugh and on historic things even often facepalm about some teenage kids reality in the 80s/90s :) (*WE* were all left-winged commie punks of course! (Gifted with expensive electronics.))
Actually one could also take such things and maybe even dissect them just like there is now a public version of Mein Kampf page by page commented and explained by "expert" historians and nazi specialists. There you will find many people that see such changes on the "original Mein Kampf" *very* questionable as well btw. :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
Quote:Do any of these groups with all this propaganda do you really believe that they have contributed in some constructive way to the demoscene?
thats irrelevant. if that'd be in some way a thing to consider about who or what is documented here, the majority of database entries would have to go. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1378 |
So, MuZZa had to wait for nearly a year, and NCC had to wait for 33 years? Seems reasonable :D
(but also yes, listen to Groepaz as usual) |
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