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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Why the descending chronological order of comments on product pages?
It seems totally unnatural and weird, makes me hate my life whenever I run into a long discussion on a product page.
Note the usability issue: first you have to scroll down to the first comment and then slowly scroll upwards, while reading from down to up (instead of just simply reading from up to down, like on the forums).
Or give us an option to reverse it, pretty please! :)
Oh, by the way, before someone mentions it. I do realize that lengthy discussions don't belong to the product pages and I should beat the fuck out of here and think about more useful things. But, comments are still misused quite often and probably will be in the future. At least make those pages readable for humans. |
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daison
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 90 |
The benefit of descending the order is that new replies are easier to catch, especially when it's running into a long (measured in time) discussion.
I guess it has both pros and cons, but descending seems natural to me, most blogs and such use the same order for comments. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Quoting daisonThe benefit of descending the order is that new replies are easier to catch, especially when it's running into a long (measured in time) discussion.
This could be easily solved by checking the new comments since your last visit to the page and anchoring to the last one you might have seen (I believe the forum works the same way).
Still, in case you're just "running into" a thread, that means you probably haven't read it or read it long time ago and have to catch up -> means double scrolling.
The other case would be that you try to follow a discussion, but if it's long, a lot of new comments will appear -> double scrolling again.
The situation you've described would work more or less OK if the product pages' comment section would be used as it is intended.
Pouet has an ascending chronological order, and suits me just well.
Anyway, I don't say it should be a must, just an option for those who hate the current situation.
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Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
Quote:This could be easily solved by checking the new comments since your last visit to the page and anchoring to the last one you might have seen
That would be very annoying since in most cases you enter a products page because of the product and not because of the comments. |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 269 |
I agree with Graham.
But what could help, and not break how it currently works, would be a button put on the top of the page that scrolls to the bottom - so you can easily start reading comments from first one, if you really want to. |
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daison
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 90 |
Quote: I agree with Graham.
But what could help, and not break how it currently works, would be a button put on the top of the page that scrolls to the bottom - so you can easily start reading comments from first one, if you really want to.
This button... it would basically do the same as pressing CTRL+HOME i think, so to me that seems a rather useless option.
Having an ASC or DESC user-preference as Jailbird suggested seems valid to me. (But I personally don't need it) |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 269 |
Quote:This button... it would basically do the same as pressing CTRL+HOME i think, so to me that seems a rather useless option.
If only it was close to being a standard, but its not. It does not do anything. Ha! And there is even no HOME button on mac keyboard, not to mention other devices like phones or the like...
The preference wouldn't be bad, but the button would be useful with or without preference implemented. |
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daison
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 90 |
Well, I don't know al keyboard shortcuts of any OS by heart but for the mac you may use:
http://www.xvsxp.com/misc/keyboard.php\
I guess most GUI-based OS's have a keyboard shortcut for this. Phones are a different story though, but I guess it doesn't end with going to the end of a page...
(p.s. ofcourse I ment CTRL+END instead of HOME)
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1641 |
Just press the fancy "Mac" button + cursordown, and you'll find yourself at the bottom....
Also, if you have a macbook, you find HOME/END/PAGEUP/PAGEDOWN if you hold the "fn" key and use the cursor keys...
(For gods sake... How an you use a system, not knowing how to navigate efficiently!? :) |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 269 |
I don't really use mac - i only have it so i can compile for iPhone. Not that i ever wanted to, but it's good business opportunity. And the keyboard of Mac Book sux big times. Cursor keys are too small, the lack of home/end/etc. keys is aggravating (would be more convenient than key combos), and there is enough space left to implement them. Enter key is too narrow. But we are going off topic.
Still i find the button (or link) wouldn't be bad (and it's so easy to implement).
hehe, and home+ctrl for going to the bottom of the page is really far from being standard :)
Oh well, i made idiot out of myself, but at least i learned something use full :) (i knew about shortcuts in text editor, but never thought about using them in web browser) |
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daison
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 90 |
you're welcome ;) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Quoting GrahamThat would be very annoying since in most cases you enter a products page because of the product and not because of the comments.
You're right, I wasn't even thinking about that.
In this case, I'd be fine with a simple option to reverse the chronological order. Those who love it could keep the current state, those who don't could change it.
Quoting JetboyBut what could help, and not break how it currently works, would be a button put on the top of the page that scrolls to the bottom - so you can easily start reading comments from first one, if you really want to.
I don't see that as a good solution. Another click (or keystroke) too much than actually needed. |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 269 |
Quote:I don't see that as a good solution. Another click (or keystroke) too much than actually needed.
Imagine you got it your way - you are coming to the production which is hot and had 30 comments last time you checked - and you only want to see what was added recently. Well there even could be button to get you to the first comment since your last visit, but that would require a little coding and some processing when generating page - not much, but the server is struggling at times anyway.
or
Imagine someone has it setup in the way it is now - and he decides he wants to read the comments form the beginning.
Of course you can do it with keyboard shortcuts, but if he is using cellphone to browse there aren't any.
I don't really see it as necessary. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Mmm what the fuck?!? Jetboy, do you feel as a special duty to write nonsense into every damn thread I open?
I wont even answer to this. You take too much of my time and I'm done with you. KTNXBYE
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 269 |
You are being oversensitive. Sorry, I ll try not to write in threads opened by you again. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Man, I'm everything but oversensitive but what you're doing on both threads is going too far by my definition.
All I asked is an option (e.g. a checkbox) on my userpage to reverse the chronological order of comments which currently bugs my fucking mind, and suddenly you start to write about buttons and mac shortcuts and iphones and whatnot. All of those which have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. But oooh, you have the right for express your random thoughts, so I'm truly sorry for interfering with the words of your unlimited wisdom. |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 269 |
I just have different point of view, or try to present different solutions, and you take it as personal attack on your person. That looks like oversensitivity to me. It is's you who presents his "unlimited wisdom" and have problem if somebody does not agree with you.
But that's going way out of topic. So if you have further problems with me, please use PMs. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Jetboy, read it again, this time slowly. Look, I'll even bold the sentence to you, maybe it's easier to get it this way. Ready? Ok, here we go...
All I want is a possibility, an option to revert the chronological order of comments.
Nothing else, get it?
What kind of an alternative solution you could present for a damned option? It's an option for a reason, and you could chose whether you use it or not, for god's fucking sake! |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 269 |
I don't want to take that possibility away from you.
I think adding button to go down the page would compliment it perfectly. As there are occasions it would be useful whatever preference user takes.
And it (the button) would be useful on its own, for people who browse this site from hand held devices, regardless if the option you suggested would be implemented or not.
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Agreed, a jump to bottom/jump to top button would be quite useful in any case.
In fact, it could be implemented right now regardless of the order of comments. :) |
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daison
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 90 |
What the hell just happened there? |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
We did it for the LULZ |
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Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 645 |
that's the only reason anyone ever does anything, seeing as life is pointless ;_)
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