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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Votesystem FAIL
OK, so why the vote system still exists, especially after all the devastating things it produces, is absolutely way beyond me.
It's rarely a representation of an objective, summarized opinion of the community. Either it's a playground for immature ding-dong fights I've had the luck to experience the last time in kindergarten, or it's simply a place for good old fashioned circlejerks.
I second Scout. At least I second the notion that this isn't really a place where I'd like to spend my spare time.
The constant pop-ups of topics considering the defecting vote-system is clearly a sign of something not working here the way it should. And yet, the cry ups keep getting ignored. For years.
Captain obvious is here to present you two options. One is to finally fix it, the other is to remove it for good. The latter one would be probably the best for all of us. And I think I'm speaking in the name of 99% of CSDb users here when I say that. Time to realize we are not IMDb with hundreds of millions of users, where a similar voting model works (more or less). Here, it's flawed and it simply fails on many, many levels
Pretty pretty please. Dudes who make and administer this site. Your work is fucking damn appreciated. I'd suck of all of you without a single second of consideration.
But for fucks sake. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Quoting Jan HarriesGroepaz, none of your remarks to my proposal bite me, you have been asked to create a vote, to vote if votes shall be public for all.
1. You said there is no majority.
2. you have 0 proof of this
3. so lets vote and see what is the truth
end of story, i am asking you to make a decision, not continue the discussion, its over.
Hello?
For the nth time, some of you obviously missed it, but we already had that poll. And the majority said YES to public votes. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
I have an idea, lets vote on if we should vote about the votes again.
And then have a poll about if the voting on the voting for public votes should be public or anonymous.
But beware of the anonymous cowards downvoting the voting of the voting on voting or the poll of the polling and .. i forgot, what was this all about?
I still think we need a anonymous top 10 anonymous voter list. |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 620 |
Quote: yeah, a youtubeish instant system could produce more votes.
I certainly agree with you Oswald :) Vote a release by rating it by number of stars (annoymously) and calculate the overall score of votes that were made for the production underneath the overall vote. This would show how popular a release could be.
My idea would be to keep the the release comments but allow deletion of any unecessary spam/playground related behaviour from the comments page - if you are the creator of the entry. Or create a release and if you want no comments to your own release. Select "Don't allow comments for this entry". |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
Quote:
Hello?
For the nth time, some of you obviously missed it, but we already had that poll. And the majority said YES to public votes.
the majority of 20 people (if at all) that took part in a poll is NOT the majority of all users. really. infact such a poll is about as meaningless as the voting result for an entry that got 20 votes :)
also thats not how websites work. if you want fundamental things changed here, you have to convince perff. not me not the majority of users, only perff. and then he might still do it differently, with all right in the world, because it is his site.
but if you can show us a poll with atleast 800 csdb users participating, i am sure he will consider looking at it and thinking about it. as for the annual random blurbs on the topic by always the same people - he is probably ignoring it just like the majority of csdb users =P |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
Quote:My idea would be to keep the the release comments but allow deletion of any unecessary spam/playground related behaviour from the comments page - if you are the creator of the entry.
wtf? so the creator of an entry can delete all comments that he doesnt like? we should then allow him to delete votes he doesnt like too, shouldnt we?
even users beeing able to edit their very own comments is a constant source for ramblings, and i'd rather see this silly "feature" removed, instead of adding even more nonsense to create more uproar =) |
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V-12
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 206 |
I like the system on youtube - creator of entry can select if people can comment or/and vote for his release. It would be cool to have this feature here to prevent spam/downvoting etc. coz people are abusing comment field for discussing, chats, even writting about if tune was or wasn't ripped for hvsc. WTF? Database or what? :)
But still I'm not sure if voting system should be here. It;s funny to see how people vote 10 for pc conversions graphics etc :) or downvote because of personal reasons, not for the bad release. Everyone has his own taste, tastes should't be discussed or/and voted imho.
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Quoting Groepaz
the majority of 20 people (if at all) that took part in a poll is NOT the majority of all users. really. infact such a poll is about as meaningless as the voting result for an entry that got 20 votes :)
I recall more than 20 votes on that poll, but whatever.
Considering the rest of your post, you're absolutely right and I've never said otherwise. Perff is the one who should have the final word on every aspect of the site.
And CSDb wouldn't really function without those who contributed to its growth in one way or another, but neither without its casual lurkers. What about at least considering their conceptions, even if not implementing them? The so-called "active users" who contribute more effectively than the rest are not the only ones who use CSDb.
The weight from the flawed votesystem actually lays on the back of those who upload new releases here and share their work. Well, in that matter, I understand why most of those "active users" don't care about, or comment on it's current state. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5076 |
"if you want fundamental things changed here, you have to convince perff. not me not the majority of users, only perff. and then he might still do it differently, with all right in the world, because it is his site."
Let's not get carried away and forget that this site incorporates also the work of the uploaders & the work need to create the content thats presented here or the money donated to keep the server running. ;) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Quoting OswaldLet's not get carried away and forget that this site incorporates also the work of the uploaders & the work need to create the content thats presented here or the money donated to keep the server running. ;)
Spot on.
What about those who were putting out releases on a regular basis in the last 8 years and perhaps thought they're more interested in spending their time with creative stuff rather than populating the database? Its a low number compared to the top submitters, but I think I did my best with about 300 submits, still I'm not sure why I'm not as well entitled as an "active user" by Groepaz, although I have contributed to 100+ new releases since CSDb is online.
OK but enough of whining, here's an actual idea. :)
It'd probably need refinement, but what about letting to vote only for those who made a comment on the release?
First of all, since a user would have only one possibility to comment, it would incite a thoughtful reaction and by that, long discussion-threads on release pages would vanish and/or would be moved to the "CSDb Entries" forum, their intended place.
Secondly, it would hearten the objectivity of votes as you'd be forced to state your opinion before a vote, or vice versa.
Comments like "commenting just to vote" would be simply moderated out.
I don't say it would solve the whole "downvoting" problem, as one would still be able to say "wow great stuff" and then give a 1, but seems to me as a small step in a better direction, without infringing the anonymity of those who prefer it. Of course the main problem with it is that it isn't encouraging the increase of votes, but we'd never have enough votes for good stats anyway, so no big harm here. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5076 |
"one would still be able to say "wow great stuff" and then give a 1"
there it fails :)
I think V-12's proposal is the best: "creator of entry can select if people can comment or/and vote for his release" |
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