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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
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a plea from an old schooler
please dont use modified PAL emulating screenshots for pictures on this site.
people may want to use this site to download unmodified c64 art in gif or png format with pure pixel definition.
if they want to see the stuff in highly debatable pal emulation mode people can download the PRG files and view them in that mode on an emulator.
Thanks
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JCB
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Quote: the point is: those new/mixed colors exist. on all and every pal display on the planet. there is no single way to not have them. end of story =)
Deekay seems to disagree somewhat. You know PAL emulation (which is what we're supposed to be talking about here) isn't correct so if ONE pixel is wrong compared to how it would look on hardware that means that colour DOES NOT exist. Trying to boil this stuff down to PAL blending yes/no is pointless because everyone would answer yes, but yes to the wrong question.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
thing is, the mixed colors part is 100% correct infact. only the horizontal blur is wrong (luma and chroma not handled seperately).
still kinda funny that we are still argueing about it, when in reality its most likely something completely different: old lumas vs new lumas. all of STEs pics look more "correct" with old lumas :) |
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JCB
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Quote: thing is, the mixed colors part is 100% correct infact. only the horizontal blur is wrong (luma and chroma not handled seperately).
still kinda funny that we are still argueing about it, when in reality its most likely something completely different: old lumas vs new lumas. all of STEs pics look more "correct" with old lumas :)
Hey, I'm not the one who keeps bringing it up :P
Do the settings in the new VICE builds allow for old lumas etc?
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
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excuse me but why exactly has this old thread been ressurected again anyway? surely as a mod groepaz you should be discouraging this not adding fuel to it?
and the whole point of the thread was i seem to remember "please don't store screenshots with pal emulation on them" this proved not to be the case in fact.
however the request is still valid as pics stored with PAL emulation on them can never be restored if their source is lost to their c64 state.
and to retrieve some of the older stuff thats exactly whats happened over the years. i personally have converted alot of 16 colour indexed gifs back to koala format to get a c64 file again.
so please feel free to apply whatever effect you want to the source image but dont archive like that or its useless.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
"Do the settings in the new VICE builds allow for old lumas etc?"
ofcourse. vice 1.2 allowed it already =) in x64sc choose the old vic modell (that will also select old lumas), in x64 select old lumas in the vic settings (no idea where exactly in the windows version). and dont use an external palette ofcourse, then it wont work.
"excuse me but why exactly has this old thread been ressurectwed again anyway?"
lol? it has been started 4 weeks ago, thats hardly old =P
"surely as a mod groepaz you should be discouraging this not adding fuel to it?"
no? as a mod i am supposed to make sure that people follow the rules, not to step into a discussion which is hardly breaking rules at all.
"however the request is still valid as pics stored with PAL emulation on them can never be restored if their source is lost to their c64 state."
*sigh* not again =P screenshots arent ment for this, screenshots are solely there so you can see wth you are going to download. for anything else there is the binary. infact, if the todo list wouldnt already be long enough, the site might even be changed to create and render screenshots automatically, in a fixed palette, in whatever format. they are part of the presentation layer, not part of the archive.
and despite the entries without files from 10 years ago where files couldnt be uploaded - there is hardly a reason these days to have an entry with a screenshot and no file. which makes the whole "we might recreate pictures from screenshots" thing a bit pointless.
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
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Quoting Groepaz"Do the settings in the new VICE builds allow for old lumas etc?"
ofcourse. vice 1.2 allowed it already =) in x64sc choose the old vic modell (that will also select old lumas), in x64 select old lumas in the vic settings (no idea where exactly in the windows version). and dont use an external palette ofcourse, then it wont work.
K, I'll have a play around with that. Of course it doesn't solve the problem of monitor calibration but at least lumas should be relative and ok.
Quoting Groepaz
and despite the entries without files from 10 years ago where files couldnt be uploaded - there is hardly a reason these days to have an entry with a screenshot and no file. which makes the whole "we might recreate pictures from screenshots" thing a bit pointless.
Unless of course they're converted from gif to koala and then run through a koa to prg maker. Now would that be allowed? The picture was released at some point but the method of delivery has changed by creating a new prg from it... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
"Unless of course they're converted from gif to koala and then run through a koa to prg maker. Now would that be allowed? The picture was released at some point but the method of delivery has changed by creating a new prg from it..."
i have seriously no idea what you are trying to say with that. if the koala is there, then there is no reason to make a screenshot so you can recreate the koala from the screenshot. or did i miss something? |
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
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Quote: "Unless of course they're converted from gif to koala and then run through a koa to prg maker. Now would that be allowed? The picture was released at some point but the method of delivery has changed by creating a new prg from it..."
i have seriously no idea what you are trying to say with that. if the koala is there, then there is no reason to make a screenshot so you can recreate the koala from the screenshot. or did i miss something?
err, yes I think you did.
Ste said he's converted gifs to koa because there are no C64 files of those missing pictures... the rest kind of logically follows from that and your reply to his post.
Read:
"and to retrieve some of the older stuff thats exactly whats happened over the years. i personally have converted alot of 16 colour indexed gifs back to koala format to get a c64 file again" |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
<Post edited by chatGPZ on 19/8-2010 10:30>
sure, it might have happened. he might have had gifs from koalas that dont exist anymore.
the point is, i cant see how it applies to this site. if you add the prg, beeing able to recreate it from a screenshot is a pointless exercise. and if you dont have the prg, but do have the gif... you can recreate the prg and upload it.
so again, what am i missing?
(and as a sidenote - adding such recreated prg files in place of the original releases isnt considered best practise either, and should generally be avoided, as we want the actual files from back then, not something lookalike) |
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote: sure, it might have happened. he might have had gifs from koalas that dont exist anymore.
the point is, i cant see how it applies to this site. if you add the prg, beeing able to recreate it from a screenshot is a pointless exercise. and if you dont have the prg, but do have the gif... you can recreate the prg and upload it.
so again, what am i missing?
(and as a sidenote - adding such recreated prg files in place of the original releases isnt considered best practise either, and should generally be avoided, as we want the actual files from back then, not something lookalike)
"Now would that be allowed? The picture was released at some point but the method of delivery has changed by creating a new prg from it..."
With all the rules about releases I just wanted to know if no C64 file existed "would it be allowed" to convert a gif to a prg and upload both to create a release as that prg is NOT the originally released file.
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