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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Votesystem FAIL
OK, so why the vote system still exists, especially after all the devastating things it produces, is absolutely way beyond me.
It's rarely a representation of an objective, summarized opinion of the community. Either it's a playground for immature ding-dong fights I've had the luck to experience the last time in kindergarten, or it's simply a place for good old fashioned circlejerks.
I second Scout. At least I second the notion that this isn't really a place where I'd like to spend my spare time.
The constant pop-ups of topics considering the defecting vote-system is clearly a sign of something not working here the way it should. And yet, the cry ups keep getting ignored. For years.
Captain obvious is here to present you two options. One is to finally fix it, the other is to remove it for good. The latter one would be probably the best for all of us. And I think I'm speaking in the name of 99% of CSDb users here when I say that. Time to realize we are not IMDb with hundreds of millions of users, where a similar voting model works (more or less). Here, it's flawed and it simply fails on many, many levels
Pretty pretty please. Dudes who make and administer this site. Your work is fucking damn appreciated. I'd suck of all of you without a single second of consideration.
But for fucks sake. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
The equation is simple: both negative comments and downvotes will hurt feelings. any type of feedback can. anonymous or not, thumb system or 1-10,whatever does not change this. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting OswaldThe equation is simple: both negative comments and downvotes will hurt feelings. any type of feedback can. anonymous or not, thumb system or 1-10,whatever does not change this.
The difference is, you could actually respond to a negative comment and you could defend your work if the comment is hurting you. A downvote is simply a slap and run.
A comment is a two-way interaction, a downvote is a passive-aggresive way to hurt the other.
Also note, not a single person boosted voice on the forum against negative comments yet, how's that? |
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SIDWAVE
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
thats what i been saying all along, that anonym vote takes away my possibility to defend my work against the ignorant or person who dont understand my work.
as releasing artist, i seek to make the audience understand my visions, in words, music, or visuals, combined or not.
the more interaction i have with the audience, the more fun.
anonym vote, and run away = no synergy |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Oswald, and you also tend to forget about our colleague who used the votesystem as a field for his rage filled revenge-campaign, and was even damn proud about it. In his defense, at least he wasn't anonymous. But we're talking about slight mental/social deficients here!
So don't tell me that downvoting the works without a reason (even non-anonymously) of someone you have disagreements with, is actually on the same level as a discussion, whether it's negative or not. I think that the former solution is simply dumb. |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Just a thought: surely, you know this voting system:
Remix64
I think, it works pretty well in practice. Fewer people make more votes there.
Not much negative attitude in there and no anonymous personal revenge tours, though... |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
Quote: Oswald, and you also tend to forget about our colleague who used the votesystem as a field for his rage filled revenge-campaign, and was even damn proud about it. In his defense, at least he wasn't anonymous. But we're talking about slight mental/social deficients here!
So don't tell me that downvoting the works without a reason (even non-anonymously) of someone you have disagreements with, is actually on the same level as a discussion, whether it's negative or not. I think that the former solution is simply dumb.
actually I have ~10 active downvotes myself aswell :) I dont think this is mental/social defect, people are different. I'm part of the crowd who takes things often too seriously, but grew old enough to see that. Everyone else should do so, and stop whining. Defending your release in the comments or pms is also one thing you should not do, because its just stupid. Yes I have done that too. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting OswaldEveryone else should do so, and stop whining.
Riiight. Easy to say, yet impossible to realize in practice.
The endless wining is caused by a flawed votesystem.
Your, or Groepaz's solution is to somehow change the people who feel injured by it, force the whole shit down their throat until they get totally full, dull, uninterested, and finally get used to it as a necessary bad.
My solution is to change or dismiss the system which is causing the constant uproars, by pressing some buttons.
So tell me, which solution is faster, more realistic or efficient without continuing to hurt the community? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
go and convince Perff. I'm not against changing the system, I just say I dont think it will have the desired effect. It may lower the negative stuff, but it will not go away.
btw is the downvoting really such a huge problem? what was the last time you saw it happen? |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
I agree with Stainless Steel. This thread is about 400% too long. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting Oswaldbtw is the downvoting really such a huge problem? what was the last time you saw it happen?
Well I'm not directly affected by the downvoting (yet), at least as far as I'm aware (I'm not checking the votes on me or my releases daily, right). I've had a downvote-stalker years ago, but he either changed/removed his votes or the user got deleted.
But I see downvotes here and there on new releases, every 3-4 months a topic pops up, and people do talk about it. So yes, it's a problem.
Anyway, you're right. Why the hell I'm actually advocating the improvement of the votesystem at all?
Wait I know. Cursing out loudly and looking on the screen with an annoyed/shocked/dumb face expression looks exactly like I was very busy with my tasks @ the office, so this way I could easily get away from doing actual work whilst not thinking too much, and just typin shit and stuff on CSDb during the whole goddamn day.
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