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Sledge
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 102 |
CSDb voting system
I know that the voting system have been discussed before. But things tend to be questionable when people gives 1 point for Vanja's work. It's clear that some people just down vote really good entries for some reason. And it is always "anonymous" voting too. Noone seems to stand for their down votes, making them totally useless in my eyes.
I like the voting system, and think we should have one, but I really think we should stop allowing anonymous voting! The whole system fucks up when it's used.
Down voting sucks! |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
Yazoo:
The way I see it... 5 is average, anything 6 and up is better than average, I wouldn't consider 5 a downvote.
Giving something 1 (awful) when all other votes are between 7 and 10, and/or giving someone 1 all the time no matter what they release, I'd consider downvoting, and I'd start suspecting that the vote has more to do with personal grudges than judging the actual release.
But that's just my personal opinion. |
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Ed
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 173 |
I Completely agree with Vanja here.
The way I see it... 5 is average, anything above that is average turning better to the best (10) anything below 5 is slowly turning from average, to below average (3-4) to the utter worst crap (1)
(there are actually only a couple of cases out of all those 53.xxx releases and xxxx people and xxxx groups, that really deserve that vote if I had to apply my own voting standard in here. And since I am still the most active voter in this database I think I know what I am talking about !)
I wouldn't consider 5 a downvote.
Downvoting is pretty obvious these days. Just check how it is used to lower the grades and pull that ugly stunt trick in the bottom. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
I posted my idea of voting somewhere here before and I still consider it best. In short: dont vote 1-10 but have a list (with to-be-considered maximal length) of releases (coders, gfx) you like best. In today's world that adds up to a nice Top10 after all.
I personally wouldnt vote a 5 (I think). If I like something I give 7-10. 7 usually means I took a deep look and it didnt quite hit me. I see no reason in voting below average. But as long as it exists I agree with Yazoo (if that was his opinion): let people vote what they want. Even a "downvote" carries quite some information, doesnt it? At least the votes as such are public. The vote-evaluating-system is fucked up anyway if you ask me :) |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
Quote: I posted my idea of voting somewhere here before and I still consider it best. In short: dont vote 1-10 but have a list (with to-be-considered maximal length) of releases (coders, gfx) you like best. In today's world that adds up to a nice Top10 after all.
I personally wouldnt vote a 5 (I think). If I like something I give 7-10. 7 usually means I took a deep look and it didnt quite hit me. I see no reason in voting below average. But as long as it exists I agree with Yazoo (if that was his opinion): let people vote what they want. Even a "downvote" carries quite some information, doesnt it? At least the votes as such are public. The vote-evaluating-system is fucked up anyway if you ask me :)
thats a good idea |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Quote: I posted my idea of voting somewhere here before and I still consider it best. In short: dont vote 1-10 but have a list (with to-be-considered maximal length) of releases (coders, gfx) you like best. In today's world that adds up to a nice Top10 after all.
I personally wouldnt vote a 5 (I think). If I like something I give 7-10. 7 usually means I took a deep look and it didnt quite hit me. I see no reason in voting below average. But as long as it exists I agree with Yazoo (if that was his opinion): let people vote what they want. Even a "downvote" carries quite some information, doesnt it? At least the votes as such are public. The vote-evaluating-system is fucked up anyway if you ask me :)
I like the idea of personal charts. It would be a sort of tribute to traditional mag charts votesheets. Although I think there would be problem with updates, the would have been to be unlimited if you want to give chance to new stuff to get into your rank ;-) I mean, such system is good for alltime favourites but not for lively scene (*cough*) like our one ;-)).
And there is no problem with occassional downvote here or there. Everyone has privilege to use anything from the scale. But when someone votes 1 for every new release from someone. That won't come unnoticed. (it's quite funny actually because yesterday I wrote in mod-forum that such things stirr reactions like (the one by E.S. under one of the releases) and see.. there is not only reaction under the releasse but whole thread about it.. and that's something sad about it.. one person behaving unethically making whole bunch of others talking about it... ;-)
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
btw theres another big problem i see in this voting-system...
what if a lamer starts coding and releases several bad demos? he would receive a lot votes of 2 or 3...
half a year later he becomes a really good coder, but will have to deal with those low votes for the rest of his scene-carreer because lots of ppl forget about changing their votes - or left the scene meanwhile.
i suggest the votings (for ppl and groups) should be reset sometime.
if we in oxyron would do the perfect demo, its still nearly impossible to become the best demogroup on csdb - because alot of ppl voted a long time ago - based on the coma light series and some other demos... im not whining btw. just wanted to give another example for the weak points of this voting system...
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
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I suggest remove the voting system completely and only have user comments. A comment tells 1000 times more than a simple vote.
nothing more to say. moreover i suggest people who release stuff to ignore the voting results alltogether. voting here is flawed and useless, for the reasons already mentioned in this and a dozen similar threads =) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
I'm with Yazoo & Groepaz |
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Ed
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 173 |
@Yazoo: Do you really believe that we do not change our votes from time to time. After all Oxyron was quite a productive but still according to some people lame in the beginning. Personally I always found your stuff good and it only got better by time. Now, more than 10 years ago I still look back at your old stuff and change my ideas, my votes.
So this whole group/release/person reset it probably one of the worst ideas I have ever heard. I think it is all up to us to decide whether to change our votes or not. Not some automated system
(by the way, you tell me, is there a possibility of automating the votesystem? In that case we could easily have a machine doing the voting as well!)
/Eddie |
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