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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 292 |
Release id #186917 : The Last Ninja4
no one can vote on my art now |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3058 |
Quote: Quoting Count ZeroIMHO you don't own shit when using a pseudoname for branding and don't use your real name here anyhow.
Ok - I'm obviously far from supporting Pal's drama but that sounded pretty arrogant, actually. Don't forget things we submit here are still our intellectual property :) Of course, authors voluntarily allow for sharing, reusing their work etc. but denying authorship and claims like the one above are off putting.
I agree. With great power comes great responsibility. Everyone should behave decently, but especially the moderators should balance assertiveness and politeness at the same time.
My thougts about what was happening: Attempting to remove compo entry because you aren't satisfied with votes is wrong. How would you do that after party, for example?
Get your shit together, everyone, and have a nice monday. |
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Bacchus
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 156 |
Pål,
Get over CSDb votes. There is a category here that push their own votes up by pushing others down. There will always be someone giving you an undeserved shitty vote. That's not fair and most of the times that's not even their honest opinion. It's a vote with an agenda.
And there are envious assholes. After all, we are nerds which means that the relative share of people with issues is a lot bigger than in the general population.
And we are all instrumental in making this scene live on. There are at least a hundred people who would be a great loss if they stopped their activity.
Keep up the good work, and do test assure that you are appreciated. And don't use the CSDb votes as a meter for that appreciation as it gives false readingsm
Pontus "Bacchus" Berg
* FairLight Council * |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 441 |
Dear Pal,
I've seen several CSDb vote-dramas all over the place and still never get it.
You like your work? You got fans? You got crazy crowd at parties with stuff you did?
I know you can answer all 3 questions with a big fat YES, Sir!
So, stay with us, continue to amaze us and just ignore CSDb voting, it's silly anyway! We love you!
Cheers,
Danzig
PS: PAL fan since Emotional Breakdown ;) |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
@CreaMD+Bacchus+Danzig: mr.Pal asked a question about how voting system on CSDb works. AFAIK he never complained about a bad voting.
Then things escalated quickly and some avoidable drama happened.
LDX DRAMA
INX
STX DRAMA
JMP NEXTWEEKENDDRAMA
hey Pal: quitters suck. pls dont! |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 441 |
Quote: @CreaMD+Bacchus+Danzig: mr.Pal asked a question about how voting system on CSDb works. AFAIK he never complained about a bad voting.
Then things escalated quickly and some avoidable drama happened.
LDX DRAMA
INX
STX DRAMA
JMP NEXTWEEKENDDRAMA
hey Pal: quitters suck. pls dont!
Nevertheless: avoid taking CSDb votes for real@all
Edit: Ok, found the other (closed) topic from Pal. Sheds some different light on the case :-D
Tends to be a problem with "I start a compo on CSDb" vs. "CSDb is for archiving scene-releases" in the first place.
The abuse of CSDb as a releasing (or compo) platform should be reconsidered. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3058 |
Quote: @CreaMD+Bacchus+Danzig: mr.Pal asked a question about how voting system on CSDb works. AFAIK he never complained about a bad voting.
Then things escalated quickly and some avoidable drama happened.
LDX DRAMA
INX
STX DRAMA
JMP NEXTWEEKENDDRAMA
hey Pal: quitters suck. pls dont!
He kinda *did* complain. And I kinda suggest to everyone to work on their temper. Let's embrace the "coolenss" and "awesomeness" shall we? ;-) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3058 |
Quote: Nevertheless: avoid taking CSDb votes for real@all
Edit: Ok, found the other (closed) topic from Pal. Sheds some different light on the case :-D
Tends to be a problem with "I start a compo on CSDb" vs. "CSDb is for archiving scene-releases" in the first place.
The abuse of CSDb as a releasing (or compo) platform should be reconsidered.
I once was sceptical. I actually hated it when Didi started music compo while I was doing compo (at the same time) outside CSDB, but that is past.
I don't like flood of tiny releases on the release list either, but apart from that I find it positive that this kind of "abuse of CSDB" was invented. It created a lot of interesting compos and it probably reinvigorated the creative vibes of many sceners. Creativity is good. Maybe running compos should have their own tab in release list. |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 441 |
Quote: I once was sceptical. I actually hated it when Didi started music compo while I was doing compo (at the same time) outside CSDB, but that is past.
I don't like flood of tiny releases on the release list either, but apart from that I find it positive that this kind of "abuse of CSDB" was invented. It created a lot of interesting compos and it probably reinvigorated the creative vibes of many sceners. Creativity is good. Maybe running compos should have their own tab in release list.
My intention was not to start argueing about sense or nonsense of competitions on CSDb. Just the "whatever you post on CSDb stays on CSDb" is not sufficient anymore, when CSDb is the original release platform. Simple as that: PAL has a point here. His stuff wasn't release elsewhere and just added here as part of the "convenient portal to scene releases". It was released here and he wanted to revoke it. And he can't. And I believe he had similar problems before, like GRG f.e. had: "Copyright fraud" or whatever the fitting phrase is. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3058 |
Quote: My intention was not to start argueing about sense or nonsense of competitions on CSDb. Just the "whatever you post on CSDb stays on CSDb" is not sufficient anymore, when CSDb is the original release platform. Simple as that: PAL has a point here. His stuff wasn't release elsewhere and just added here as part of the "convenient portal to scene releases". It was released here and he wanted to revoke it. And he can't. And I believe he had similar problems before, like GRG f.e. had: "Copyright fraud" or whatever the fitting phrase is.
Scene doesn't copy real life in how intelectual properties and personal rights are concerned. Scener's reputation is judged by his actions and by how he behaves. Ripping, transforming, remixing, copying, stealing, things like that were happenning through the history of scene and some of those actions resulted in art and some in shame. (Well, this is Joe's ground I'm not too good in intelectual talk about art I must admit;-)) General C64 scene, evolved from cracking scene and there is sort of doublethink around how copyright and distribution rights are treated in the scene.
Yes, EU politicians enforced policies for internet and gave general population tools to pursue whatever rights they consider important for themselves considering their digital presence, but can scener call himself a scener when using these tools? CSDB is not scene of course, but it's documenting it. It's not owning the information, it's just archiving it for other sceners benefit. And there are people in mod team who are guarding every piece of information, even information that might upset someone sometimes, because it's part of their, not so glorious history. It's cooperative effort of many free spirited people involved. Every byte is important here, for bigger picture, just like on real machine. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2268 |
Though I like some drama every now and then, I think this time it was more than obvious a case of "Never go full CSDb when drunk". On the other hand, that our mods have a talent to APPEAR a little arrogant, is a well-known fact. However, the question HAS been tried to answered by mods, e.g. by linking to long existing threads about the same topic (though with no real outcome apart from CSDb balanced average being a mystery/nuclear rocket science).
OT: I've got no problem with CSDb as compo platform. Relying on CSDb votes(!) to determine ranking might not be the best idea, indeed.
Ragequitting because of this trivial matter... MEH, I don't really hope so. Reminds me of some wise guy who once stated: Whosoever ragequits, has decided to quit anyway, and was just looking for an occasion or even creating drama on purpose as an alibi to quit. Nothing really happened, so I don't see why anybody would have to go to extremes. |
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