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Wile Coyote
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Defining 'World Firsts'
It is obvious what a world first is when it comes to a single effect.
Combining 2 or more effects, does that count as a world first ?
I'd anwser yes. |
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Frantic
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@jazzcat: yeah. some plurality never killed anyone anyway. :) |
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Wile Coyote
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The grey areas issue is interesting. I guess describing an effect or combination of effects would help clarify weather or not the effect is a world first. The same as patenting an idea.
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Oswald
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Quote: What Jackasser and Frantic said. Also nice overview, Jazzcat. Looking forward to it getting expanded, although such a list will always depend on who writes it, and will undoubtedly be the subject of debate. But I'm on it, so I'm not complaining. :)
strongly disagree. there were and will be cases for clearly new effects, like fli, fpp, dawnfall x rotator, etc. also ANYthing can lead to a gray zone. what is a gfx ? is a petscii logo a gfx? something made out of chars? yay its a gray zone! lets throw away the word gfx! you see my point... |
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Wile Coyote
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Quote: strongly disagree. there were and will be cases for clearly new effects, like fli, fpp, dawnfall x rotator, etc. also ANYthing can lead to a gray zone. what is a gfx ? is a petscii logo a gfx? something made out of chars? yay its a gray zone! lets throw away the word gfx! you see my point...
I'd say a petscii logo qualifies as gfx. Pixels, all be them petscii arranged, are arranged to form images. mages are gfx :) |
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chatGPZ
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in coders terms it would be clearly "charset" =) |
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Wile Coyote
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Graphics [ˈgræfɪks]
(Electronics & Computer Science / Computer Science) (functioning as plural) the information displayed on a visual display unit or on a computer printout in the form of diagrams, graphs, pictures, and symbols |
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chatGPZ
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you can keep your textbook definition for yourself when it comes to defining c64 demoscene related terms really :o)
and coming back to the original topic, it is actually important to define things in terms of c64 world - ie the definition must say how things are achived, not how the outcome looks, thats secondary and not very useful to define anything. eg the definition of "fld" must contain a technical description of how it works - because scrolling down a screen can be achived by other means too. and as for graphics, its either charset or bitmap, because the mode is what counts and not what you display with it. |
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Copyfault
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Interesting thread!
Having released the Independent Line Manipulator long ago (at MS97) which delivers a gfx routine including the special feature of MRFLI it makes me wonder if a pure routine presented only in a tool suffices to compete for something like "world first gfx mode".
I do not mean to offend Algorithm and his achivement with MRFLI in any way (I really love the MRFLI-releases I've seen up to now!), I'm just curious about what counts as a "real release for world firsts" and what not.
I guess it heavily depends on the content; our tool did not have any gfx so no one could really judge the gfx routine. Completely our fault :(
What do you think? |
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chatGPZ
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ILM technically doesnt really offer anything new over FLI though, and similar stuff was done long before (without even mentioning it). so who cares =) its somewhat similar to Mongobong ... ifli plus samples was (to my knowledge) not done before. however ordinary fli was, back in the 90s already. so who gives a damn :) |
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Wile Coyote
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Quote: Interesting thread!
Having released the Independent Line Manipulator long ago (at MS97) which delivers a gfx routine including the special feature of MRFLI it makes me wonder if a pure routine presented only in a tool suffices to compete for something like "world first gfx mode".
I do not mean to offend Algorithm and his achivement with MRFLI in any way (I really love the MRFLI-releases I've seen up to now!), I'm just curious about what counts as a "real release for world firsts" and what not.
I guess it heavily depends on the content; our tool did not have any gfx so no one could really judge the gfx routine. Completely our fault :(
What do you think?
'charset or bitmap'
How would you best describe the graphics during Krestage that show: 2 vertcial lower border scrollers.
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