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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 480 |
Release id #116405 : Asteroids Emulator (Build March 2, 2013)
Is this a game or a tool? I am not sure how to judge this release. Refering the docs it's the original console code running inside an emulated environment doing the sound and video output. So the game code inside is not new, but the emulator environment which would qualifiy it as a tool. But the gamecode itself is 100% dependent and useless without the emulation it is fixed to. Finally it is something to play which would make it a game. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11186 |
just like Skramble 20 |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2113 |
Or S.E.U.C.K., e.g.
Shoot 'em Up Construction Kit
or Shoot 'em Up Construction Kit II
or Shoot 'em Up Construction Kit &D
Noone here ever complained about treating those as cracks yet afaik - though we had a nice useless discussion at c64-wiki.de staff whether to treat S.E.U.C.K. as a game or not. I opted for the latter but was overruled :)
Discussing if such cracks may be counted as first releases is even more eggheaded stats wanking imho.
The most interesting point in the comments debate on
Asteroids Emulator (2013-03-02) +1D
was that about [pal/ntsc] tag only for fixes or for anything running on both. Then again, the question won't cause me sleepless nights either. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2906 |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5034 |
"But the gamecode itself is 100% dependent and useless without the emulation it is fixed to" = Game.
its in the grey area, but it's more a game than a tool.
you can say that in a way PoP is an emulation too, just to a lesser extent. according to MrSids blog he is using parts of the original code, while the gfx engine is "replaced". |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11186 |
Quote:he is using parts of the original code, while the gfx engine is "replaced".
pretty similar then :)
quite a few games from the early days use similar techniques btw, either running the original code from another system or a direct 1:1 translation to 6502 |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
Running the same code (as its the same CPU) or emulating another CPU is quite a difference.
(ignore my ignorant post in case the original Asteroids used a 6502).
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11186 |
it did =D |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 480 |
But they are of the same family and it runs the same assembler commands, AFAIK. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
Then I just should not have posted as I did above already ;-) |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2523 |
For me, it would only be a tool if you could load in and display other code without further alterations.
It is a bit different with another release by the same author: YM-64 - although it seems that all the packs released just contained converted musics including the player, but you would not get the standalone program to load in other .YM tunes. I will, however, meet Norbert soon, and ask him directly for more info. |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2523 |
By the way, all the YM 64 dl links are dead - if someone wants to host the stuff again, pls drop me a PM. |
