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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 449 |
Event id #3345 : Stupid Rainbows Compo
A few final thoughts by moi:
As some people repeat scene is not a good place for politics I strongly
disagree. I think C64 scene is a perfect place for debate and even making fun
of each other while having still something that connects each individuals
beyond their personal beliefs and world views. I like that there are a few
places left outside of social media echochambers where people are challenged in
their own opinions and beliefs because they're confronted with people that think
otherwise.
And art is a great way to deliver insights in world views not only by plain
descriptive language but also by emotions that can be transported by visuals and
music.
I had many debates / arguments with people with other political views at scene
parties and I enjoyed it very much. It is so much easier to overcome predjudice
when you meet in a space where you're already brought to because you have some
shared interest.
And although I also like to give some silly comments online: I think its good
that jetan, who kind of unwillingly started this compo didn't step back and
hides in this room, but expressed his view in a creative act.
As someone who fell into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories and internet
echochambers myself in my early twenties (after 9/11) I understand that it is
not easy to get out of it and realize that it's not "the others", but indeed
yourself who is "indoctrinated". I sincerly wish you all the best, jetan.
And thanks @TheRyk for making a compo out of it. It was good fun and among the
usual silly stuff there were also some real good productions made.
Cheers,
spiderCorn :-) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1292 |
Well put! |
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Higgie
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 114 |
Thanks for some wise words, Spider! :) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Word! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11147 |
Wise words indeed. Those who think that scene (or even art) is not the place for politics haven't understood what politics even is. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1292 |
Demoscene is about art. Art is about expression. Expression is about ideas. Period. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 119 |
I would dare say that art is essentially about communication. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11147 |
Quote:Demoscene is about art. Art is about expression. Expression is about ideas.
Ideas are the root of all evil :D |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 119 |
And I thought Slayer were the root of all evil ;-) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2086 |
Totally with y'all, apart from this competition being not about politics but RAINBOWS, see note:
Stupid Rainbows Compo Note ;)
Hope no one expected fancy non-CSDb-Snail-Mail-Voting or ANY voting. However... Everybody's free...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqq7E0Sd84k
...to use CSDb votes and comments to praise or criticize single entries, of course.
Once more thanks 2 _all_ competitors!
31 entries from craptastic 2 funtastic is a blast!
Grab all of them here as one download if you like.
Cheers
Ryk |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
Thanks for organising, participating and engaging. Rainbows are proven to be stupid, fact. Moving on to the next concoction. |
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Higgie
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 114 |
What Hein said. And next time we could try to take a more scientific approach on the topic. ;) |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 629 |
Politics are stupid, and no one cares what you think.
Take it to twitter. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 449 |
Quoting FungusPolitics are stupid, and no one cares what you think.
What do you think qualifies you to comment on that matter? Do your cracking things – I won't tell you what to do there – and let us do our creative things. Thanks :-* |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 629 |
I made demos first, and I've been around since the early 90s, that qualifies me I think. You can express your opinion and so can I.
I'm not here to fight with you, I'm too old for it. You don't care what I think either, obviously. See how that works?
Again, where's the fun in pissing and moaning and whinging and whining hmm? Just spreads the negativity, why bother?
At this risk of being called a troll yet again, you are coping so hard right now. |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 505 |
My personal viewpoint on the fact that politics have no place in the demoscene has nothing to do with freedom and expression of views etc. but with the fact that we are so bombarded by it in our everyday life, that I am personally looking for a safe haven that is separated from it. In my case this is something that breaks families apart (I think there are a lot of such cases).
And the second reason is that due to manipulation of politics using nowadays technology we are losing valuable talented people like mojzesh and jetan (yes, I said it), and I'm not only talking about them leaving groups/scene. I am talking about the influence of politics to the point when we are not able to talk like normal people only because we are different in that way. Which is so damn fucking sad.
You may differ in your view, of course. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1060 |
Lemme get this straight.
When someone posts a dumbass political comment on a release, we should fuck off to Twitter instead of starting a compo with 32 entries making fun of it. Because you made demos in the 90s you're an authority and we should consider this a valid viewpoint.
Did I misinterpret something? |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 629 |
Jesus MV, hate me that much? Yeah I think you misinterpreted it about as much as you possibly can.
F'in people and your double standards.
I'm with Wacek 300%. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1381 |
Quoting spider-jA few final thoughts by moi:
#include standing_ovation.gif
Well said! |
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F7sus4
Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112 |
Quoting spider-jAs someone who fell into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories and internet echochambers myself in my early twenties (after 9/11) I understand that it is not easy to get out of it and realize that it's not "the others", but indeed yourself who is "indoctrinated".
Which is why philosophy of science perhaps should be considered a universal subject. Without intellectual tools allowing to properly verify sources and differentiate their credibility, getting out of one trap and falling into another is only a matter of time.
Quoting wacekI am talking about the influence of politics to the point when we are not able to talk like normal people only because we are different in that way. Which is so damn fucking sad.
A quick glance at history might lead to the conclusion that this has always been the case, unfortunately. Maybe we were just too young to care enough yet. And so, the cycle continues. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1060 |
No Fungus, I've always respected your work and you've always been friendly and helpful to me. Which is why I'm hoping that you mean something else, but that's what it reads like. |
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Flotsam
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 81 |
I participated in the compo because I truly fucking love rainbows. I also love the song I crappily covered. I didn't participate to mock jetan because that would be bullying and us adults don't bully. I'm about as liberal as liberals come and somewhat disagree with what he wrote, but that's it. I disagree with him, but don't wish to mock him or supress his thoughts. I hope I wasn't doing that when I participated - for me it was about rainbows, not about being against one person with a differing opinion.
I'd like to think that us C64 people in year 2023 are anarchistic, tolerant and wise enough to not try to shut out people who want to express their non-mainstream opinions in Commodore domain, may they be pro-Nazi, anti-gay, anti-fat-old-bald-guy (I'm all that) or anti-cute-puppies. Disagree, don't disallow.
Oh, and anyone who disagrees with me on all this - fuck off. Rainbows forever. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 629 |
No I was just responding to the hostility from someone I don't even know.
I didn't say I'm an authority, I just said in response that yeah I think I can comment if I want to. I also think this isn't the place for it, and it belong on twitter with the other braindead masses arguing about nonsense that means nothing. What's the point. The memeing (demos) is also coping.
I'll see my way out now. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 449 |
Quoting FungusI made demos first, and I've been around since the early 90s, that qualifies me I think. You can express your opinion and so can I.
Opinions are different interpretations of the same facts. Do you really wonder that coming here and making obviously wrong statements like "noone cares", just because *you* don't care or want to care will be considered "trolling" or "provocation for the sake of provocation" by I guess most people?
Quoting FungusI'm not here to fight with you, I'm too old for it. You don't care what I think either, obviously. See how that works?
I do care what you think. You just didn't tell. You let wacek did the work for you, it seems. Which is a view that I totally respect.
Quoting Funguswhere's the fun in pissing and moaning and whinging and whining hmm? Just spreads the negativity, why bother?
Where's negativity? About ~2 (?) of the entries were more on the serious side. The rest was lighthearted and funny.
Hein i.e. even did exactly what you'd like: ignoring the politics and he made a wonderful little demo about bringing us back to nice childhood memories.
And all that is totally fine and fair for me. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 629 |
Fair,
I am guilty of knee jerk reactions too.
I still adhere to my opinion that the scene is not a good place to discuss politics or culture or viewpoints. It's not really a good platform for it, and maybe I speak out of line saying most people don't care, I still hold the opinion that they don't.
I am just so tired of it over the last 3 or 4 years that I blew over your comment mostly, but my response wasn't really aimed at that, but in general.
I recently came back to C64, because I do truly and honestly love the machine and doing things on it. I should know better by now, to just stay out of it. So I will henceforth.
May you have a wonderful day. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 449 |
Quoting FungusMay you have a wonderful day.
You too :-) Thanks for getting things straight. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3137 |
come on, you can't get things straight in this gay compo. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 119 |
I just want to make a quick remark. It should be a dumb truism, but I'm not so sure anymore these days.
Antifascism is not an ideology nor a fashionable fad, antifascism is not a worldview, antifascism is not leftwing politics, antifascism is not culture, antifascism is a civilizational achievement. This lesson had a hefty pricetag.
Our mothers and fathers know that. Hell, we knew that. Did we forget that? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11147 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SghuUOPRi00 |
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Pajda
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 4 |
So make demos with cats, not politics ;) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 449 |
Quoting PajdaSo make demos with cats, not politics ;)
Cat Compo?!? Count me in!!! ;-) |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 119 |
I did! ;-) |
