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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
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commerical demos ?
I notice some are uploaded.. e.g. if muso's / coders wanted to show their skills to a software houses..
I'm sure loads of people did them, e.g. the hubbard music demos... and a more recent one "arcanum software development"
shouldn't their be a new catagory.. since if you post coders who did games, u'll get ppl moaning "oh they aren't sceners" and the other people going "oh a demo, but with no credits" ?
tricky one...
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Personally I feel that such demos weren't done for the scene, hence: those who did them aren't sceners. Problem solved :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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often those demos were released to the scene though (like rob hubbards) ... so uhm, yes, tricky. |
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Graham
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Quote: Personally I feel that such demos weren't done for the scene, hence: those who did them aren't sceners. Problem solved :)
There are also some non-commercial people who did demos who didn't call themselves sceners :)
Anyway, if it's a demo, it should be here. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Besides all of that, we're talking about a handful of commercial releases.
IMO that's not something to worry about so let them stay in the Db. |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
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Alternatively we could put an intro on them, and say that they are "bug fixed" or maybe even "cracked"? \o/ |
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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
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I second Graham.
A demo like 'It's Real Magic' - is commercial too, but a true scene release. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: I second Graham.
A demo like 'It's Real Magic' - is commercial too, but a true scene release.
That's different, ABS was always a scener. I doubt if the ones who did the Arcanum one even considered themselves sceners. And to follow up on what Graham said: if somebody who is not a scener creates, for example, a picture, I don't think that that picture is a scene-release and the person becomes a scener. Not everybody who used the c64 in a non-professional way is automatically a scener!
The rate this is going, soon literally everybody who has ever touched a c64 will be in the database ;)
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
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TDJ
I'd rather see the demos, and the credits regardless if they are "supposid" sceners.. and no they actually coded/drew/composed something (as u can see), so the comment about anyone who touched a 64 is a bit, well over the top and out of proportion.
for me they produced something, they should be credited. theres not that many demos that fall into this catagory as said before, but it even extends to i dunno fonts ripped from games etc. again "not sceners" where does it end?
they deserve a credit.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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I have no problems with people getting the credits for stuff they did, but I just don't feel that it should automatically credit them as 'sceners' and that's what happens here. Meaning you get 3 pros in the top 5 musicians chart. And yes, sure, they've probably done some compunet stuff in their time but why aren't they in the charts under the handles they used back then? Because everybody knows them as pros and votes for them because of their pro work.
There have been suggestions to somehow split the credits in real credits and those ripped/taken from somewhere else (like games), maybe that should be considered again. With pros being creditted but also being non-votable. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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I have never seen so far a commerical demo ;) |
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Graham
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@TDJ: What if ABS wasn't a scener? It would change absolutely nothing about the "It's magic" demo, because the history of the programmer has nothing to do with the demo itself. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: @TDJ: What if ABS wasn't a scener? It would change absolutely nothing about the "It's magic" demo, because the history of the programmer has nothing to do with the demo itself.
If "It's magic" was done by a non-scener I wouldn't want that person in the database either, at least not as a (votable) scener.
As for the demos itself, I haven't given that much thought yet. To be honest, I wouldn't miss them if they were not in csdb. |
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Graham
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So basically you don't care about demos? I wonder why you are discussing commercial or non-commercial demos then. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: So basically you don't care about demos? I wonder why you are discussing commercial or non-commercial demos then.
Sure I care about demos, just not all of them. And it's the context of the scene that makes demos that much more interesting to me: the history, seeing people improve, change their style, cooperate. That there's an extra layer you'll never have with commercial demos. |
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Tim
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TDJ, I feel so mixed about your example..
On the one hand I totally agree to your example of the top5 musicians.
On the other hand releases like this were spread throughout the scene widely aswell.
Which raises my old question, why exclude anything?
I do know the general answer and I do respect the standpoint,
but life would be so much simpler to tag something commercial and have it here for anyone whod be interested in it or not.
A very nice example: Double Density
Clearly a commercial release under Double Density on Magic Disk, done by sceners, however in their commercial function but aimed at finding people from the c64 scene to come and do commercial work ;)
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Graham
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So CSDb should be renamed into TDJ's CSDb? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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Graham, this is a SCENE database and not a demo database, gettit? :P ;) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: So CSDb should be renamed into TDJ's CSDb?
Yes, that's exactly what I meant :Z |
