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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1378 |
When is a One-File Demo not a One-File Demo?
So, I've finally finished a small release (title+one effect+music), except it's 250 blocks long even before I decrunch it; initial load is from $0801 to $fffe
It's all a single file, that if I send to my c64 via codenet it runs just fine standalone, but in order to make it loadable with stock 1541+c64 I'm bundling it with the Effluvium loader. (cf Packer/decruncher for under IO?)
Should I make the Release Type "C64 One-File Demo" or "C64 Demo"? |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1378 |
@Flavioweb, Well, disk image is not needed to run the thing; all the effects code, graphics and music are all in a single 250 block file that starts with "10 sys2061". It's just that the kernal load routines are too stupid to load under ROM/IO. Any decent fastload cart should be able to load it directly.
@WVL, how can a 600 block file be single load? Surely there's only room in the c64 for 258 blocks, and even that wouldn't leave room for a loader?
Anyway, I'll go with c64 demo for now I guess; corrections welcome. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 500 |
@ChristopherJam: Now stop making us wet and release this thing!!! :-)
I'd say anything that fits into memory with a single loading action is considered a onefile-demo. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1989 |
Quote: @ChristopherJam: Now stop making us wet and release this thing!!! :-)
I'd say anything that fits into memory with a single loading action is considered a onefile-demo.
Agree, and if it doesn't work with standard KERNEL loader then it's a crippled one filer. If you then add a loader to it to make it work with KERNEL it will become a demo. :) |
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The Human Code Machine
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 110 |
Did You try ALZ64 to squeeze the file into 202 blocks? If it works just make two downloadable versions. One for impatient cartridge owners and one for all the others ;)
ALZ64 |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5020 |
Quote: So, I've finally finished a small release (title+one effect+music), except it's 250 blocks long even before I decrunch it; initial load is from $0801 to $fffe
It's all a single file, that if I send to my c64 via codenet it runs just fine standalone, but in order to make it loadable with stock 1541+c64 I'm bundling it with the Effluvium loader. (cf Packer/decruncher for under IO?)
Should I make the Release Type "C64 One-File Demo" or "C64 Demo"?
so where do you decrunch to? $0000-$0800 ? :D |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1378 |
Ok, it's up. Jam Ball 2
@The Human Code Machine, it's already crunched!
Very good @Oswald. (FWIW I decrunch to $0200 to $ff6a :P) |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1378 |
My apologies The Human Code Machine, I was overly dismissive of your suggestion. For some reason I didn't think of applying ALZ64 to the released file, rather than the precrunched file.
I'd thought ALZ64 was a poor fit because it requires the input file size to be in range $0003..$F800, which prior to using my own simplistic packer Jam Balls exceeds.
However, the file I load from disk is just under the upper limit, so I just gave it a go.
It's pretty effective, but sadly not enough to make this a one filer. File size drops from 250 blocks to 230. Decrunching also takes forever! |
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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 886 |
Quote: @Flavioweb, Well, disk image is not needed to run the thing; all the effects code, graphics and music are all in a single 250 block file that starts with "10 sys2061". It's just that the kernal load routines are too stupid to load under ROM/IO. Any decent fastload cart should be able to load it directly.
@WVL, how can a 600 block file be single load? Surely there's only room in the c64 for 258 blocks, and even that wouldn't leave room for a loader?
Anyway, I'll go with c64 demo for now I guess; corrections welcome.
I meant this slideshow : Nocode-slide by tlr.
It's a single file, but does it count as a onefiler or not? It doesn't even contain any code at all.... |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2847 |
If you count tlr's nocode slideshow as a onefiler, you must also count single-filed IFFL stuff as onefilers. May be correct in a certain way, but feels odd.
I go with Jackasser. Classic onefilers are up to 202 blocks, $0801-$cfff, and load in a single pass before running, no autostart, no tricks, no disk images.
If non-standard load is required (to load under IO and ROM), it's a "crippled onefiler" indeed.
If you add a loader, it's a demo. :) |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1378 |
Clearest statement yet.
*upvotes Krill's comment* |
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