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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Entries without files...
Taking the time to add demos with credits & screenshots without uploading the files seems strange to me...
Perhaps someone who's doing it could explain it to me? |
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: Taking the time to add demos with credits & screenshots without uploading the files seems strange to me...
Perhaps someone who's doing it could explain it to me?
I totally agree on this matter, there are too many examples of this at csdb.
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Graham
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csdb is mostly about information and not files. |
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Ben
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Agree with Graham. I am particularly interested in the socio-metrics and (types of) projects people have been involved in.
Only recently I was adding some info on and demos by the Trays dudes. By googling I discovered they also made a game but could not find the game itself, I however added the entry nonetheless (so someone else can perhaps add it later) as I believe this information is valuable.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: csdb is mostly about information and not files.
I agree with Graham, files are a plus but should not be required. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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My point was that there is an upload function so why not use it & upload the file as well while you're at it, it just takes a few seconds. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: My point was that there is an upload function so why not use it & upload the file as well while you're at it, it just takes a few seconds.
If you have the file, sure ..
(ofcourse when you have a screenshot you probably have the file as well) |
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598 |
I agree with Zyron here.
there's just no point adding a release without uploading it. lots of people come over here to search for wares and when finally found it they notice there is no downloadlink. it's frustrating sometimes.
>>(ofcourse when you have a screenshot you probably have the file as well)
that's exactly what I mean actually. it only takes a second to upload the release aswell. |
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Ben
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Come on, there is more to it; why would we bother about trivia and stuff if that is true.... |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: If you have the file, sure ..
(ofcourse when you have a screenshot you probably have the file as well)
I have to admit, that sometimes I have been quite lazy to search through my whole disk collection for a release, and then transfer and upload it. but I did this anyway, even if it took longer. (for Mozkit, it took a year, because I didn't retrieve the disk Mozkit #1).
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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The Hall Of Shame:
xforp
TWR
Freddie
In my opinion; no file = no release
Be careful with deleting unlocked entries; you might trigger the some automatic CSDb banning mechanism.
A trusted user and great supporter of CSDb triggered this just yet :-/
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935 |
Quote: The Hall Of Shame:
xforp
TWR
Freddie
In my opinion; no file = no release
Be careful with deleting unlocked entries; you might trigger the some automatic CSDb banning mechanism.
A trusted user and great supporter of CSDb triggered this just yet :-/
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I can only agree, add only an entry if you have a file.
In case your looking for a missing release,
just start a thread.
Niels
User Comment
Submitted by Matt [PM] on 24 October 2006
hey freddie how about uploading this release? adding a screenshot?
and what about all the other releases you added? pf...
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468 |
If something has been released then I think it should be in the database even if you can't upload the file because you don't have it.
If it is all about files then we already have the various FTP servers... |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: If something has been released then I think it should be in the database even if you can't upload the file because you don't have it.
If it is all about files then we already have the various FTP servers...
Okay, add something to the database and PROVE it is released.
That is the whole issue here; an entry in the DB isn't a proof it really exist.
Edit: an entry WITHOUT a file ofcourse.
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 727 |
as far as im concerned both are required if at all possible |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
i have also added a few releases which i dont have, but which are known to exist (mentioned in mags etc).
however, adding a full entry with screenshot and info, but without the file, looks ridiculous to me. the file should have top priority (IF someone has it) since everything else can be done by someone else once the file is upped. |
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935 |
Quote: i have also added a few releases which i dont have, but which are known to exist (mentioned in mags etc).
however, adding a full entry with screenshot and info, but without the file, looks ridiculous to me. the file should have top priority (IF someone has it) since everything else can be done by someone else once the file is upped.
If you add an entry and you don't have the file
just leave a comment to it that your searching for it.
That way it's clear to all of us.
Niels |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1676 |
I have now added a little field on the edit page for releases, where one can write a reason for not adding a download link. Please use this! :) |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Great Perff! |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1676 |
And let me finally point out, that it is NOT an excuse for deleting an entry, just that there is no download link, or screenshot or whatever.
CSDb is a place for information about the C64 scene - ANY information. If we had a rule that said "you must only add info if you got 100% of it" we would never have gotten anywhere. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
There have been cases though where an entry consisted of only a name. No group, no credits, no screenshot, no release year & no file. IMO that's nothing to keep since it's more or less impossible to connect it to an (eventual) existing release. |
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Tch
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Posts: 512 |
@Perff: Good notification!
I first thought something was wrong.. ;)
Yeah,hate it when there´s a screenshot and credits,but no file.. |
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Freddie
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 71 |
Quote: The Hall Of Shame:
xforp
TWR
Freddie
In my opinion; no file = no release
Be careful with deleting unlocked entries; you might trigger the some automatic CSDb banning mechanism.
A trusted user and great supporter of CSDb triggered this just yet :-/
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Hall of shame, hmm... I don't really know what to say about this.
First of all, I didn't know that you had to upload the file (I did taht with all the stuff where I had the original file). I just thought that it would make it easier for others to add the file if that found it.
Secondly, I got this message from Scout while I was adding releases that releases without files would be deleted within 24 hours. I wrote him back immediately that I would erase all of my "empty" releases right away. I started to do so, got my account deactivated, then activated again and deleted the rest of the releases.
And then I'm in the hall of shame?!?! I don't really get it.
Well, I'll still be searching my old .d64 images to find more stuff that isn't in the csdb database. By now I've only added 91 releases (all with files!) and maybe I'll qualify to work my way out of the hall of shame...
Let's focus on what counts: Finding more releases for the database!
Regards from Freddie (ex X-Factor)
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Deleting entries just because there is no file? BULLSHIT! I will not add any more information to this database as long as the file-gestapo will keep acting this way. |
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 727 |
hmmmmm. dont think anyone should be getting deactivated or hassled because they dont upload the file...
simple!!!!! people upload if they want!!!!!
if people start acting like everyone has to upload then im pretty sure people will stop doing so..
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Okay, if you all want to make this database one pile of shit I quit my activities regarding this db; no more uploads & corrections of the entries from my side.
This time I really had it with you lot.
Have a ball and fuck up this database.
Yay & Woo! \o/
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Okay, if you all want to make this database one pile of shit I quit my activities regarding this db; no more uploads & corrections of the entries from my side.
This time I really had it with you lot.
Have a ball and fuck up this database.
Yay & Woo! \o/
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Wow .. I thought *I* was a drama queen. So if somebody has the file on floppy, enters as much information as possible but has no way to transfer the file to pc, he FUCKS UP the database? Is that it?
Entry without any information = pile of shit.
Entry with information but without a file = a valid entry.
We've had this discussion a million times over. Ofcourse, if somebody has the file he should upload it. But not everybody can transfer their stuff, it's that simple. I myself have been without these possibilities for quite a long time as the XE1541 cable I had didn't work on the laptop I wanted to use for it.
And to delete an entry, without consulting Perff if it's okay, to me is an abuse of your power.
Edit: fuck that, to delete an entry whatsoever is an abuse of your power. This is not the most user-friendly system in the world, if people take the time to actually enter information they should not be rewarded by seeing it all flushed down the toilet. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote:Wow .. I thought *I* was a drama queen. So if somebody has the file on floppy, enters as much information as possible but has no way to transfer the file to pc, he FUCKS UP the database? Is that it?
In my opinion, yes.
Quote:
Entry without any information = pile of shit.
Entry with information but without a file = a valid entry.
Entry without any information = pile of shit.
Entry with information but without a file = pile of shit.
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We've had this discussion a million times over.
Indeed, and this is the last time for me.
I really had it with these stupid discussions. It is like running in circles.
Same goes for the anonymous voting discussion.
Perff should make a final decision about all of these issues.
Quote:
And to delete an entry, without consulting Perff if it's okay, to me is an abuse of your power.
Edit: fuck that, to delete an entry whatsoever is an abuse of your power. This is not the most user-friendly system in the world, if people take the time to actually enter information they should not be rewarded by seeing it all flushed down the toilet.
I have the same powers as you have.
All I want is a clean database; entries with correct credits *AND* a file.
Everybody can add a release without credits and without a file and claim it does exist.
In my opinion this is database pollution.
Anyway, I made up my mind.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
You're right about one thing: Perff should make up his mind and set the rules. If he decides that uploading a file is absolutely required, I will no longer protest against it. But I expect you to do the same if he decided otherwise.
As for the anon. voting thing; I have given up on that a long time ago :( |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote:You're right about one thing: Perff should make up his mind and set the rules. If he decides that uploading a file is absolutely required, I will no longer protest against it. But I expect you to do the same if he decided otherwise.
Ofcourse!
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Motion
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Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 69 |
The only time I've delayed on adding a file link, is when my son was crying (I'm sure Zyron can relate to that?), then CBA came a long an added a file before me! I still added my version of the file later though... Niels is quick though! :)
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
Quote: And let me finally point out, that it is NOT an excuse for deleting an entry, just that there is no download link, or screenshot or whatever.
CSDb is a place for information about the C64 scene - ANY information. If we had a rule that said "you must only add info if you got 100% of it" we would never have gotten anywhere.
TDJ, Scout: Perff's statement, quoted above, seems pretty clear to me... |
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Tim
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467 |
For me personally any info is important, providing there is no anonymity.
If someone later has questions he/she should be able to ask the original poster/uploader for info (and same applies to voting in my opinion).
Example: lets say we find the perfect collector.. some unknown non-scene version of Jerry/Triad for instance.. probably some 80 year old who finds an internet connection with his grandchild and enjoys informing us about all the wares he has collected that we have no knowledge of copying them letter by letter with old grandpa hands from his typewriter written A4 stacks of paper.
Its of course a romanticized example, but it does happen..
These people do not know how to find Mason, Acidchild or CBA (just to name a few of the eager collectors).
Id rather have the opportunity to have people find this database through google or yahoo and give us the chance to thank them and point them towards the above mentioned threesome then not have their info at all.
It could very well be a big mistake to not tolerate info without files.
Having said that and knowing the effort you put into the csdb, I can understand some of the frustration towards lazy people.
So how about this;
We accept that lack of certain old things and are happy with any info on our glorious past BUT we set an (unwritten) rule that its lame to fail on giving all needed info and/or files on any release of 2006 and later?
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Please close this topic.
Perff has spoken (I overlooked that, thnx Vanja) and the rules are clear now.
Next CSDb drama, please.
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TWR
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Quote: The Hall Of Shame:
xforp
TWR
Freddie
In my opinion; no file = no release
Be careful with deleting unlocked entries; you might trigger the some automatic CSDb banning mechanism.
A trusted user and great supporter of CSDb triggered this just yet :-/
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Me, in the hall of shame?
I've uploaded quite some stuff here so I think you're really gone here, woman. |
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935 |
Quote: Me, in the hall of shame?
I've uploaded quite some stuff here so I think you're really gone here, woman.
yes and you also added plenty of stuff without file, so
try to get your way out of the hall of shame please, child!
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TWR
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Registered: Jan 2004
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Quote: yes and you also added plenty of stuff without file, so
try to get your way out of the hall of shame please, child!
;)
Don't have to worry about that.
You'll just delete the stuff as ususal.
BTW, do you delete sceners too, that ain't credited for anything?
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935 |
Quote: Don't have to worry about that.
You'll just delete the stuff as ususal.
BTW, do you delete sceners too, that ain't credited for anything?
;-)
Yes I delete everybody, infact I am the new WDR :) |
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A Life in Hell
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wait, i thought i was wdr |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote:
BTW, do you delete sceners too, that ain't credited for anything?
;-)
Yes, you are the next one on our list!
:P
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TWR
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Quote: Quote:
BTW, do you delete sceners too, that ain't credited for anything?
;-)
Yes, you are the next one on our list!
:P
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:-)
Just what I thought.
But I would come back - in a fake label. :-D |
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Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
Hmm,I´ve added lots of Brutal-stuff that was mentioned in our internal mag and mags like Gamers Guide.
Since then many have been recovered,special thanks to CBA,Mason and Acidchild! 8)
The info is there and I hope when people find something,they´ll add it.
Besides: 1071/392,7= 2.727%
This DB is doing OK! \o/ |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Uffff... I almost regret ever starting this topic.
Read the first post, if you're not one of those don't bother to reply. I was looking for reasons here since I was puzzled, curious & also a bit annoyed at the time. :) |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1676 |
Final word before closing this topic:
- If you got the file for something you add - upload it, or link to it.
- If you have some info without a file, or don't have the option to transfer the file from C64, go ahead and add the info anyway, and use the "Reason for not adding a download link:"-field to explain why.
And finally. Only delete entries if you know for sure that it is crap, and has nothing to do with the C64-scene.
Yes, it looks stupid and non-informative with entries only with a name, but perhaps some one else have more info to add! Contact the creator of the entry (or me) about why no more info is added instead of just hitting the delete-button. |
